Turning Britain Around: Rupert Lowe on DarkHorse

Published date: June 21, 2026
Host: Dr. Bret Weinstein
Guest: Rupert Lowe
Podcast: DarkHorse Podcast / Inside Rail
Transcript source: SRT transcript file

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Audio: Listen on Spotify

Summary

Dr. Bret Weinstein speaks with British Member of Parliament Rupert Lowe about the decline of Britain and the wider West, institutional corruption, political cowardice, sound money, welfare, education, free speech, election integrity, and the effort to build Restore Britain. Recorded shortly before publication of the Rape Gang Inquiry Report, the conversation also examines organized grooming gangs, alleged government failures, Sharia courts, two-tier justice, and the consequences of institutions that refuse to confront politically dangerous truths. Lowe and Weinstein close by discussing COVID-era policy, the difference between money and control, and what citizens can do to restore functioning institutions.

About the Guest

Rupert Lowe is a British Member of Parliament and the founder of Restore Britain, a political organization focused on restoring accountable government, national sovereignty, free speech, secure borders, and functioning public institutions. Follow Rupert Lowe on X and learn more at Restore Britain.

About the Host

Dr. Bret Weinstein is an evolutionary biologist, author, and host of the DarkHorse Podcast. Through long-form conversations and analysis, he examines science, institutions, politics, culture, and the challenges facing Western civilization.

Mentioned

• The Rape Gang Inquiry Report
• Rupert Lowe’s Restore Britain announcement
• Rupert Lowe on X
• Restore Britain

Episode Chapters

• 00:00:00 Breaking News This Week
• 00:01:06 Bret Welcomes Rupert Lowe
• 00:02:40 Why Britain Lost the Plot
• 00:09:07 Sponsor: Mars Men
• 00:11:31 Sponsor: Puori
• 00:12:55 Common Ground Beyond Left & Right
• 00:16:42 Sound Money and the Welfare Trap
• 00:24:02 Is Organized Crime Running the State?
• 00:25:44 Scandals That Expose State Failure
• 00:29:13 Grassroots Momentum in Norfolk
• 00:33:19 Sponsor: Helix
• 00:34:39 Schools Manufacture Helplessness
• 00:42:29 Elon Musk and the Free Speech Reset
• 00:46:12 We Need a Plan: Restore Britain
• 00:50:37 Why Postal Ballots Invite Fraud
• 00:57:57 Inside the Rape Gang Inquiry
• 01:01:23 Sharia Courts and Two-Tier Justice
• 01:04:07 Banning Teens From Social Media
• 01:08:14 A Guarded Answer from a London Cabbie
• 01:14:38 Bret’s Awakening in Portland
• 01:23:55 Was Covid About Money or Control?
• 01:31:15 Rupert Lowe’s Closing Word

Main Topics

• Britain and the decline of the West
• Restore Britain and grassroots political organization
• Institutional corruption and political cowardice
• Sound money, welfare, and economic incentives
• Education and learned helplessness
• Free speech and Elon Musk
• Postal ballots and election integrity
• The Rape Gang Inquiry Report
• Sharia courts and two-tier justice
• Social-media restrictions for teenagers
• COVID-era policy, money, and control

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Transcript

This transcript was prepared from the episode’s speaker-labeled SRTX caption file and lightly consolidated into readable paragraphs. Timestamps mark the beginning of each passage.

[00:00:00] Bret Weinstein: This is one of those episodes you're really going to want to listen to. I was recently in the United Kingdom and I felt it was urgent that I sit down with Rupert Lowe. Rupert is a member of Parliament. He's also the founder of Restore Britain, which is an effort quite parallel to Rescue the Republic, which I co-founded here in the US.

[00:00:20] Bret Weinstein: In this episode, we discuss the state of the West, the state of Britain, and we also talk about the rape gang report, which was released only a day or two after we recorded this episode.

[00:00:31] News Anchor: Huge bombshell news today. The rape gang inquiry report has just been published in full.

[00:00:36] Bret Weinstein: That report is now, of course, on everyone's mind because it suggests that more than 200,000 girls and young women were systematically raped in Britain and that those rapes were then covered up by the British government. This scandal reveals how the collapse of Western values and the corruption of our systems are all tied together and the consequences are ghastly.

[00:01:00] Bret Weinstein: So have a listen and see what you think. Hey, folks, welcome to the Dark Horse podcast inside rail. I have the true honor of sitting with Rupert Lowe, who is a member of the British parliament and the leader of the Restore Britain, what was a movement and is now a party. Rupert, welcome to Dark Horse.

[00:01:24] Rupert Lowe: Thank you, Brett. I'm glad you survived doing battle with great Western railways on your way down here.

[00:01:29] Bret Weinstein: Yes. Well, there were some self-inflicted wounds along the way. So my audience is largely not going to be familiar with you. Those that are familiar are likely to have seen on social media several months back an announcement that you did about the need to restore Britain. And I will tell you, I wasn't aware of you before I saw that announcement.

[00:01:56] Bret Weinstein: And when I did see it, it resonated with me very strongly. As you may or may not know, I have been part of a movement to defend the West. The version of it that we have is called Rescue the Republic. And when I heard you speak about Restore Britain, really, the themes are very much the same.

[00:02:21] Bret Weinstein: Something seems to be attacking the characteristics that make the West special. It looks increasingly deliberate. And for those who understand the role that the West plays, it's a very frightening turn of events. So thank you for making the time to talk to me about it. How do you see what is happening to Britain and to the larger West?

[00:02:45] Rupert Lowe: Well, look, as you as you've seen today, I'm I'm I'm accused of basically being a neo-Nazi. Well, I've given you a book on our family company. I run multiple family businesses. We employ multiple staff. I guess a bit like you. I was brought up in an era when everything did work. I think the war had been won.

[00:03:07] Rupert Lowe: I was born in 1957. The war had been won. We had fought two world wars in relatively quick succession. And I think people respected peace. As we know, freedom is a very fragile commodity. And I think what's happened is the post-war generation who arguably played a small part in in winning the war, the generation that won the war was really, in my view, the first world war and the second World War generation who fought, most of whom have now died, sadly, the next generation, I think, got the benefit of that.

[00:03:44] Rupert Lowe: And they've taken their eye off the ball. Now, you quite right. I think if we watch what the hands are doing, not what the mouths are saying, we've seen both, well, particularly Britain, Europe and arguably, to a lesser extent, the US, whether whether you're protected by your constitution, which I have the highest regard for the founding fathers, even if a lot of it was founded on our own 1768, 1688 Bill of Rights, 1689 Bill of Rights.

[00:04:13] Rupert Lowe: So I think what's happened is, as you say, a bit like the sand slipping through the hourglass, we've watched what was the most amazing period slip through our fingers. And we now see things that don't make sense. So I say that the entire establishment here, particularly and in Europe, post-war, went to the left.

[00:04:41] Rupert Lowe: I think they decided that the nation state was evil and that some form of multicultural cohesion across Europe, hence the sort of obsession with freedom of movement, which is why we've got these problems largely in Europe. Equally, our government passed various acts which enabled mass immigration in waves, which culminated really in the Tony Blair government, which I think was the root cause of most of it.

[00:05:16] Rupert Lowe: But I've witnessed during my 68 years, and I've got four children. I've always lived by the law. I've respected the rule of law and I have tried to live my life honestly and pay my taxes and participate. And I've got an interesting career, which we can talk about, a very unusual career involving also being chairman of a Premier League football club, building football stadium, 20 years in the city of London, lots of travel.

[00:05:43] Rupert Lowe: I've done lots of things. So I've become very concerned about the fact that nothing seems to add up. And if you've got the context that I was brought up in and you saw beer and sandwiches in number 10 with the trade unions when they were too powerful to the Thatcher revolution, arguably it may have gone too far the other way.

[00:06:08] Rupert Lowe: There was too much individualism. And you saw in the late 80s, you saw a big revival in church going, particularly sort of evangelical church going. Because when people, I think, become obsessed with money, they lose sight of what their life is all about and they then seek something. Now, when there's no money, they're so worried about putting food on the table when there's too much money, then they look for other things.

[00:06:32] Rupert Lowe: So the human soul is never at peace with itself. And I think what's happened is we've had this move and shift to the left, this attempt to destroy the roots of the nation state, which embeds within it decency and honesty and common sense and logic. And above all else, the protection of the people who basically built the country into what it is through participating in its history, paying taxes, basically driving the culture.

[00:07:04] Rupert Lowe: And we have arguably the most successful country on earth in terms of what we've invented and what we've done. You know, we get criticized for the slave trade and everything else, but it's actually us who ended it at huge cost to ourselves. But we've got this. This I call it's almost a sort of cancer, which is eating away at the soul of Anglo-Saxon economies and countries.

[00:07:31] Rupert Lowe: And it's almost by design. And again, I know you've played a lot, a big part in this covid nonsense, which which I also fought hard against and lost many friends as a result of. But again, that was suspiciously to me an era where I felt that I'd lost control of my life. I felt that things didn't make sense, that the state was taking control of my life.

[00:07:59] Rupert Lowe: And I'm probably like you very much an Austrian school economist. I hate the state and I love the individual. And I watch the state make bad decisions. I watch the individual make good decisions. And I wonder why it is that we continue to march down the sort of route of statism, which has historically always failed.

[00:08:21] Rupert Lowe: Almost every civilization that's embraced it. And most of the most recent example being the USSR. Whereas I always say to survive in in the USSR, you had to be a good liar and you had to avoid making any decisions, which might might might mean that you either lost your position or your head.

[00:08:39] Rupert Lowe: So, so, look, I I like you. I'm very I am very concerned. Hence, at sixty eight, I'm I mean, people say to me, why are you doing this? You're rich enough to go and live your life and do different things. Well, I have four children. I've been mad for over 40 years. And I think I'd be doing less than my duty if I literally just went and lived a back and alien existence, traveling around the world, having fun and indulging myself, which is what a lot of my friends do.

[00:09:08] Bret Weinstein: You all may have heard me talk about this before. I've had the most maddening experience with allopathic medicine. I've had no issues with sexual health through my life. But in my fifties, I started to notice a pattern, just a frankly, a lack of morning wood. And I was a little alarmed by it.

[00:09:32] Bret Weinstein: And in light of dropping testosterone levels and all, I thought I'd get a doctor to check me out. But in going to the doctor, you find yourself immediately pushed into tests to see if your testosterone is, quote, normal. If your testosterone is normal, as mine is, they don't want to do anything for you.

[00:09:53] Bret Weinstein: And when you push them, they decide that what you're trying to tell them is about erectile dysfunction, which is not true in my case. So what's Persna do? Well, I checked out a number of things. I tried freeze dried beetroot, which works OK, but is really hard on your guts. I tried nitric oxide actually works OK, but it's not a miracle.

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[00:12:47] Bret Weinstein: Go to puri.com slash darkhorse and use the code darkhorse at checkout for this limited offer. Well, I do think there is a longer conversation to be had about the tension between left and right. And I will say my position, I come from the left. My position has evolved quite a lot. I do think there is a shared responsibility for the present collapse.

[00:13:16] Bret Weinstein: Part of it comes from the right. Part of it comes from the left. I'm much more concerned about the aspect that the left is in charge of at the moment. But in any case, we I think both into it that there is something systematic and intentional about the elimination of the structures that have made all of the marvelous things that have taken place in the West possible.

[00:13:42] Bret Weinstein: And it is a little hard to wrap the mind around why those with power would do this. It does not. Yes, I can imagine that they might have short term objectives, but long term, it appears to be the killing of the goose that lays the golden eggs. And it is hard to imagine that they will produce a replacement that even serves their interest, whoever they might be.

[00:14:12] Rupert Lowe: Well, it seems to me, Brett, that the thing they're most frightened of is the individual. And we talked before this interview about Elon Musk, who's criticized now for being the first trillionaire. Why can't we celebrate his success? He's been the most successful entrepreneur on Earth. He is created by buying X, a free speech platform, which to some extent, I think has challenged this malignancy, which you're talking about.

[00:14:41] Rupert Lowe: And I agree with you. I think and I don't consider myself either left or right. I just think I'm based on founded on common sense. The problem is we've been dragged so far to the left that anyone who just expresses common sense is considered to be far right. And that is bizarre. And even today, you've seen in the papers, you know, we're being we're being attacked because we've got supposedly neo-Nazi supporters.

[00:15:04] Rupert Lowe: Well, I don't know of any party that doesn't an audit of its membership. And at the end of the day, I think if you have those misguided people making decisions within your party, that's one one argument, which I think merits discussion. But if people want to sign up and support the party and come and canvas for the party, I don't know of any party that audits its membership.

[00:15:32] Rupert Lowe: And equally, I think a lot of the damage is done not by necessarily the right. Some is and I detest far right sort of ethno-nationalist or neo-Naziism. I've never been driven by that. Equally, I'm not driven by what I call the malign left, which actually is capable of of equal evil, if not more evil.

[00:15:56] Rupert Lowe: And yet because they're left wing, they're not required to audit their membership. They're not criticized when some person on the left of the party does something equally as morally repugnant as somebody on the right. So you've got this almost, you know, left is good and right is bad. And what happens is we've been dragged so far to the left in this country by obviously Tony Blair originally.

[00:16:25] Rupert Lowe: So Thatcher left us with a hugely good legacy in terms of economically, we were incredibly sound. We had very little national debt. We rebuilt a lot of our industries. We'd obviously move at the times and we cleanse a lot of the rubbish. And capitalism, if you believe in capitalism, which I do, you have to believe in failure.

[00:16:46] Rupert Lowe: So failure is a good thing, not a bad thing. It cleanses the system. The problem is we've had this post-war society, which is believed that any form of risk needs to be systemically managed. And that's usually by printing money and debasing the currency. So I, as I've given a speech on this in parliament, I actually think a lot of the moral decline comes back to the fact that we don't have sound currency.

[00:17:12] Rupert Lowe: And ultimately, every time we have a problem, we print some more money, we print more paper. There's no link now to a gold standard or any other standard, which is why, again, that you see the crypto currencies and particular Bitcoin, which is the reserve currency of crypto gaining ground. So everything's become fluid somehow, Brett.

[00:17:33] Rupert Lowe: But I do, you can't help saying and thinking, and I agree with you, that there seems to be a greater design to try and destroy everything that's made us great. And that means people like you and I, as you say, arguably not natural bedfellows in terms of our politics. And I've read about your brave situation again over the Covid crisis.

[00:17:58] Rupert Lowe: And as I said, one of my team loves your work. I didn't know that till I said we were doing this interview today. But look, there's something wrong. There's something wrong in the state of Rome. And sensible people from everywhere need to get together and fight it and restore common sense and fairness so that what made us great can continue to flourish.

[00:18:24] Rupert Lowe: And I, you know, most of our support is young people. And I feel for the young people. I again, I mentioned this generation who didn't fight the war, but they've had the benefits of the peace and they've got immense wealth, which they've built up. And they're now de-risking our economy in order to basically underwrite their own retirement.

[00:18:45] Rupert Lowe: And they're not recycling the wealth that they've been fortunate enough to make, not because they're necessarily brilliant, but because they've had the conditions post-war to actually build up wealth, build up success. And instead of using that to cascade down to the younger generations and help them, they're selfishly trying to guard it like a sort of cuckoo guards another bird's nest.

[00:19:11] Rupert Lowe: So I'm with the young people. I'm with the people who have been left behind. And I hate seeing this welfare culture. And, you know, in Britain now, we've got a situation where I think we spend 334 billion a year on welfare and we collect 331 billion in taxes. Well, meanwhile, our national debt is going through the roof.

[00:19:33] Rupert Lowe: Tell me that's sustainable. It isn't. So something's got to be done. And it's been an eye-opener to me to be in parliament with a group of people who, I mean, look, there's some people who are clearly clever. But do they possess common sense? Any of them? No, none of them do. And none of them have had a career, really.

[00:19:54] Rupert Lowe: Most of them are, particularly the Labour Party, are guided by this malign Fabian society ideology, which I think is embedded within the Labour Party now. And most of the Tories, after Blair, Cameron admired Blair so much that he took the Tory party far to the left with the One Nation Tories. So whilst you've got some very good young Tories, you've still got a lot of One Nation Tories who control, if you like, a whole...

[00:20:25] Rupert Lowe: They're shading out the people below them who are what I would call genuine conservatives or Tories. So look, it is a conundrum, and it's great that, you know, people like you and I can get together and talk about it, because I think it is a conversation everybody needs to start having as a matter of urgency.

[00:20:44] Bret Weinstein: Yes. And one of the things that I hope emerges from that conversation is an effort to actually enumerate what we now understand the principles that ought to galvanize us to be. So, for example, if I were to lay it out, I would say that governance is necessary, that it is a necessary evil, that is to say it should be minimized, that the test of whether any policy is valid and desirable is whether or not its impact is to net liberate individuals over the long term.

[00:21:27] Bret Weinstein: That inequality of outcome is actually desirable. You want people who create wealth to live better, because that incentivizes the creation of wealth, and the creation of true wealth enriches us all. Much of what looks like the creation of wealth is actually rent seeking, and the ability to profit as you destroy wealth should be, to the best of our ability, forbidden.

[00:21:56] Bret Weinstein: The market shouldn't reward you for destroying wealth, and yet it does in many cases. I would say there's a difference between failure that comes from bad judgment. When your failure comes from bad judgment, you need to suffer the consequences of it, whether you're a banker or a janitor. But when we face true, random bad luck, a tumor that comes from nowhere, that it's desirable to socialize the impacts of those things so that nobody suffers profoundly, and we all pay our share of those random misfortunes.

[00:22:38] Bret Weinstein: So anyway, I think you could list in this way what is common sense, that really people like you and I should have almost no disagreement over it.

[00:22:47] Rupert Lowe: Well again, to your point, that did happen, and I agree with you totally, there has to be a safety net for those people who are genuinely in need of support from society. It did happen naturally, interestingly, in Britain, in our most successful financial era. It happened by osmosis through the friendly societies, because there is goodness in the individual.

[00:23:09] Rupert Lowe: I never think there's goodness in the state. The state has no conscience, and individual does. So that's why individualism is so much more desirable than statism, I think. But I have to say, we have to question, and I think this is something I've asked myself a lot. Do you think now that we are in the hands of organized crime?

[00:23:30] Rupert Lowe: That's the question I ask myself, because in this country I see illogical things happening. I see an argument to say that our judiciary is being captured, that our police force is being captured, that all of the organs of the state have been captured, and things like this unbelievable evil of the rape gangs, which is going on everywhere across Britain as we sit here speaking now.

[00:23:56] Rupert Lowe: Nothing's been done about it, which is quite extraordinary when they're locking up people for social media posts on the other side of the equation. So I wonder, are we in the hands of organized crime? Are there people who put their own monetary well-being ahead of what's right and wrong? Because to your point, which I totally agree with, for that to work, we have to all start on the basis that we all share the same objectives, which is we share the objective to try and improve the operation of mankind for everybody, for

[00:24:29] Rupert Lowe: the majority of people. And AI is going to make that difficult, but that is still an objective which should ultimately govern how we all get on with each other. And I've always thought your attitude towards wealth in America is better than ours, which is basically poisoned, I think, by the class system. So in America, the new world, you basically celebrate success to a far greater extent than we do.

[00:24:56] Rupert Lowe: And instead of feeling jealous, people say, "Well, he's done well," or "She's done well, and I want to emulate them." Whereas here, it's, "Oh, well, he must have done it by being dishonest," or, "She must have broken the rules to do it." And there's a dislike of people who are successful. I think we should celebrate difference.

[00:25:20] Rupert Lowe: We should celebrate people who, as you say, able, who actually improve the way in which things operate. As Abraham Lincoln said, you don't make the poor richer by making the rich poorer. And the question is, do you believe it's the individual who should be driving the wealth creation, or do you think it's the state?

[00:25:40] Rupert Lowe: Well, I'm firmly in the camp that it's always going to be the individual.

[00:25:44] Bret Weinstein: And anybody who thinks it's the state doesn't understand the state.

[00:25:47] Rupert Lowe: Anyone who thinks states just look at their bad decision making. I mean, in England or Britain, we've had the infected blood scandal. We've had the post office scandal. We've had the Windrush scandal. We've had COVID. We've got the rape gangs. I mean, the decision making is appalling. And what happens is then they deny, deny, deny until the people responsible have retired or gone, and then they admit they got it wrong.

[00:26:12] Rupert Lowe: And then there's a massive scheme to recompense people who suffered. So, no, the decision making is terrible. Just look at what the state does. Look at the USSR. Look at the bad decisions they made. But unfortunately, you've got a whole subculture of people now here who feed off the teat of the state.

[00:26:33] Rupert Lowe: So it's in their interest to propagate statism because they're incapable of competing in an open free market because they know they're not competent. And I see this every week now on the public accounts committee, which I sit on in parliament, and you can watch it. It's a public taped hearing. And I see the most appalling ineptitude, the most appalling dishonesty, the most appalling lack of accountability from our civil service.

[00:27:01] Rupert Lowe: Because like any company, the ministers are supposed to be the board and the civil service is supposed to be the people carrying out the instructions of the board. Well, if the board doesn't know what it's doing, the people in positions of execution basically just run riot. And that's what you've seen. So you've seen increasing numbers of them, bigger pensions, less accountability, working from home, all of the things that I mean, some of them work from barley, for goodness sake.

[00:27:31] Rupert Lowe: That's just all got to stop. But it's just a seam of dishonesty that runs through the entire country. And I think that can lead to this, what I call, unhealthy relationship with organized crime. Because a bit like Italy, where you get the wealth in Milan, which is probably the richest part of Europe, the Po Valley and all that wonderful banking in Milan and things, you got vast wealth transfers down to the south of Italy, which is very poor.

[00:28:00] Rupert Lowe: You get corruption. And similarly, when a state is dishing out money, you get corruption. You get corruption from the people dishing it out. You get corruption from the people receiving it. So in the end, you undermine the whole basis of an honest, what I call, Protestant society. And one of the best books I like is Max Weber, The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism.

[00:28:22] Rupert Lowe: So look, I, as I say, Austrian school economics, minimal state, you need a state, as you say, for defense, for various things, obviously the law. But we set ourselves up as this sort of scion of honest judiciary. Well, it's not that judiciary has now become corrupt. The judges with the creation of the Supreme Court by Tony Blair in 2005 has undermined, has become a woke quango.

[00:28:50] Rupert Lowe: The guidance to our magistrates is soft. And that has enabled a two-tier legal system, which has propagated a two-tier police force. So we have to stop all that. And that's, is that far right to say that? I don't think it is. I think it's extraordinary. Anybody could think any other way. But they do, as you see, they're now worried because the most exciting thing for me is what's happened in our Norfolk local elections.

[00:29:18] Rupert Lowe: And more recently on Saturday in Makerfield is we've got real decent people who they're calling these people neo-Nazis. These aren't neo-Nazis. Most of them are housewives and mothers and concerned women and people who want to, to your point, common sense to prevail. They're actually turning out the story should be there's a stirring in Britain of honest, decent people who've had enough.

[00:29:45] Rupert Lowe: And I think I can't stress enough how important it is. And I say to them every time I address them, this cannot be about one man or one small group of people. This has got to be about everybody, because it's only going to change when the entire population, the penny drops and they realize they're being hoodwinked.

[00:30:06] Rupert Lowe: And whether it's organized crime, whether it's this malign post-war philosophy, which is driving multiculturalism, which as we know is doomed to failure, unless everybody integrates. And unless they respect the culture and the religion of the host country, it will fail. It has to fail. And it'll end very badly. So I think we've all got to start asking ourselves, why is it all gone so wrong?

[00:30:32] Rupert Lowe: Why haven't we got? And I've given you a book on our family business. We've employed people there for 50 years. They work for us 40 years, 30 years. There's a list of employees there. My father, he treated it as part of the family. And that's what used to happen when you had a Britain based on what I call family businesses in the private sector.

[00:30:53] Rupert Lowe: You had accountability, because if things were wrong, you would go to see the principal and you could say, this isn't right. Why are you doing this? Whereas if you're working for some faceless multicultural corporation owned by faceless shareholders, the board puts an HR department between you and them, and they then they live the life of O'Reilly and they're completely unaccountable.

[00:31:15] Rupert Lowe: So I just I just think it's everything we've seen has led to a lack of accountability by the people in positions of influence and power. And if the people want their country back or want their freedom back or want their individuals and back, I'm afraid they're going to have to stand up and make their intentions clear peacefully and through the ballot box.

[00:31:39] Rupert Lowe: But if they don't stand up, they're going to, I think, suffer the consequences, which are, I think, increasingly unpleasant when I look at it.

[00:31:48] Bret Weinstein: They will suffer the consequences or their children and grandchildren. Well, correct. But to the question you asked, you know, are we somehow under the control of organized crime? I mean, I actually think the answer is obviously yes, obviously. And that one of the dynamics that is not well understood is that you have some sort of de facto organized crime racket or maybe it's multiple rackets in competition.

[00:32:16] Bret Weinstein: But what we experience is that is the product of that view of us as, you know, hosts to a parasite. But it has it has managed to sway a large number of people on the left into a revolt against the West. So you have this parasite that fears good governance because good governance would forbid it.

[00:32:44] Bret Weinstein: Well, they're all making money out of it, right? Right. They're all making money out of it.

[00:32:47] Rupert Lowe: Whether it's the regulators, the judiciary, the solicitors, the barristers, these people create nothing. Right. They feed, as you say, I use the same term of parasite. They are a parasite on the back of the host animal. The problem is they nearly killed the host animal. And this is why we've got to stand up now because otherwise the poor old host is going to disappear.

[00:33:06] Rupert Lowe: And what happens to the parasites when the host dies?

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[00:34:26] Bret Weinstein: That's helixsleep.com slash darkhorse for 20% off site-wide, 25% off lux mattresses and 30% off elite. Once more helixsleep.com slash darkhorse. So you and I would agree that for your average person, the answer is actually a slam dunk. It's common sense. It's right ahead of them. They have very little to be angry at their neighbors over.

[00:34:53] Bret Weinstein: They need to be angry at the people who are actually literally bankrupting them, using the power of the state against them. But they don't see it because there's a narrative that the two sides have been handed about who the enemy is. And for the left, you know, you said something a few minutes ago about people who were incapable.

[00:35:15] Bret Weinstein: And I think this is the perfect place to see the fault of the left and the fault of the right and how they work synergistically. So what I see in the U.S. is a vast number of people who by the time they reach adulthood are so damaged by the bad mythology that they've been handed.

[00:35:38] Rupert Lowe: But that's the educational system. So I think the 60s, you had this you had this culture which was fed into our schools. So instead of being brought up to believe in the nation state and the history of your country and your religion, you weren't you've been undermined by by an ideology, which is basically a Fabian ideology, if you like.

[00:36:01] Bret Weinstein: It's a garbage ideology. It leaves the people who take it on incapable of doing anything at the point they reach adulthood. Many are also so chemically damaged by poisons in the food, by pharmaceuticals that you can imagine if you've got 10, 15 percent of the population that correctly understands we live in a competitive society and we have been disarmed.

[00:36:29] Bret Weinstein: The things with which we might compete, we don't have control over them. So those people have no interest in preserving the system and they've been turned into foot soldiers of whatever the organized crime racket is. Exactly. And they are attacking the West.

[00:36:45] Rupert Lowe: But that's I think that's to our point about organized crime. That is the if you like the consequence of what this as I call it malign philosophy has done to our society. And as a result of that, you know, you say because again, if you if you've got this statism, what does status and want to create more dependency on the state?

[00:37:09] Rupert Lowe: And that's ultimately what they're doing. And what they've also been doing is don't forget they've been as the private sector has shrunk and shrunk and shrunk. They've been taxing the private sector more and more. So those people who do care, who are decent and want to contribute and there are still a lot of them in this country.

[00:37:26] Rupert Lowe: I'm always encouraged by the innate decency of most human beings here because there is still a relic of of of what what happened in the past here. But if you hollow out the private sector and you make them run faster and faster like a hamster on a wheel in order to pay the bills, to collect the tax, to collect the VAT, to collect the pensions, to deal with all the regulations, to you know, the tax code here is 22,000 pages.

[00:37:55] Rupert Lowe: And what they do is they use that as a weapon. So if somebody questions the system, they get hit with a tax investigation and there's find some abstruse rule, you know, as you know, and it was tacitly said the more rules, the more corrupt state. So at the end of the day, you've got this.

[00:38:13] Rupert Lowe: It's almost a perfect storm. And if people don't break out of it, it is going to destroy us all. And we need to all stand up to it. But also taxes. And I see, you know, an honest person here gets taxed into oblivion. You pay income tax, as I've just mentioned, all the taxes you collect and gift wrap, you get to the state.

[00:38:33] Rupert Lowe: Then you you've got VAT on everything you spend. You've got regulations coming out of areas, which again is just to oppress people. And meanwhile, there are foreign countries, you know, pumping oil, who pay no tax, who come and enjoy all the benefits of a safe society here, which is funded by an increasingly oppressed base, voter base here, who don't have time to think properly.

[00:38:59] Rupert Lowe: So I think I think to your point, they've got to lift their heads up and start looking rather than being trapped by what what has happened to them. They need to look up and start working out to your point. Why? Why are things like they are? Why are the the increasingly small number of enterprising people being driven into the ground by this culture of indolence, which which is being fostered by the white collar workers who I'm hoping will be destroyed by.

[00:39:29] Rupert Lowe: I'm hoping I will take out most of the lawyers and the barristers and the solicitors and the judges because the judges are corrupt here now. And it's I think your judges have always argued being slightly more corrupt than ours. And as you know, state by state, you have different you have different judiciaries and different sort of protocols.

[00:39:49] Rupert Lowe: Very often, you know, the judges are a friend or, you know, of other local people and you don't necessarily get good justice everywhere. I think you'd probably expect to get less good justice in Arkansas than you might in other parts of America. So, you know, but here now, I think we've become we've arguably become quite corrupt and that's what we've got to end.

[00:40:13] Bret Weinstein: Well, you know, corruption is an interesting word because, of course, it has a financial meaning, but just the simple breakdown of signal flowing through the system.

[00:40:26] Rupert Lowe: We'll look at Chicago, look at Los Angeles, look at the crime, look at look at what's happening in parts of America where you get these these Democrat system

[00:40:34] Bret Weinstein: has been corrupted as sure as if San Francisco hard disk drive had been, you know, had a magnet disrupt the data on it. So our system doesn't work. But to your point about people waking up. I believe this is the reason that we face so much of this Orwellian nonsense over social media posts and the like, which is that actually what is taking place.

[00:41:09] Bret Weinstein: It's hard to put your finger on exactly why it works the way it does, but that things are desperately wrong is obvious. Anyone can see it. And what prevents them from standing up en masse is fear. They have understandable fears based on real consequences that if they, for example, acknowledge that they're listening to you, they are going to be, you know, tarred with a stigma like that.

[00:41:37] Bret Weinstein: And, you know, I faced the same thing. There's not a white supremacist.

[00:41:41] Rupert Lowe: It's quite an extraordinary headline. The only thing you can say is all publicity is good publicity and having tried to give us nothing for nine months and actually withdraw any form of media for us. Now they're all over us like a cheap suit with headlines like this. But I think the majority of people who know me, who come to our canvassing, they know that we're not we're we're we're normal people.

[00:42:01] Rupert Lowe: And this is they're calling normal people near and answers that shows you they're worried.

[00:42:06] Bret Weinstein: It does show you that they're worried. And it tells you that the right thing to be hoping for and cultivating is the courage to stare down these stigmas. Because once you realize that that's that they are deploying these sorts of exotic accusations because they do have something to fear. That's a good sign.

[00:42:28] Rupert Lowe: Right. That means they do. And I think I said earlier that we have a huge debt of gratitude to Elon Musk because, as you know, my social media is now very big on all the platforms, particularly on Facebook and and and expert also on LinkedIn, on on on Instagram, on TikTok, all of them.

[00:42:46] Rupert Lowe: And we owe that to Elon Musk because he bought Twitter for whatever it was. Forty four billion. He got rid of 80 percent of the staff and it now works like clockwork. But it is truly a free speech platform. And this is again what I think people misunderstand about Elon Musk, which is why he probably gets the equivalent amount of flak to me and arguably you for different reasons.

[00:43:09] Rupert Lowe: Is he's created this free speech platform and we used to see it before when I was in the European Parliament, when I set up my social media accounts. We saw in the old days, the algorithm, if it didn't like what we were saying, it shut us down and Facebook used to do the same.

[00:43:26] Rupert Lowe: But once Elon Musk had actually truly set up a free speech platform. And I believe he you know, people say he uses the algorithm to help us. He doesn't. He allows criticism himself on his own platform. Now, he's a highly principled individual who wants open free speech. Free speech is the most important thing which is embedded into your constitution and our and our Bill of Rights because it means you can discuss anything.

[00:43:55] Rupert Lowe: You can debate anything. You can actually raise any issue, however, off the wall it is. But at least you discuss it and you get the truth. So I think he's highly principled. And what's happened is because of him, Facebook had to change the way they were operating. And I partly there's a guy called Nick Clegg.

[00:44:13] Rupert Lowe: You may know who he was in coalition government with Cameron. He worked for Facebook and he left Facebook. I suspect it was partly because Zuckerberg had to change the way in which Facebook operated because otherwise X was going to leave him behind. And that has been done now. And actually, Facebook is an incredibly powerful tool that we use as well.

[00:44:38] Rupert Lowe: So again, most of the political establishment are a bit slow. They haven't spotted the game. And our social media is now bigger than most newspapers. And we owe it to them in a way because they wouldn't cover us. They ignored us. And once Nigel Farage had politically assassinated me, I'm never asked on GB news.

[00:44:57] Rupert Lowe: I mean, it's just a running joke. They're supposed to be set up to compete with the BBC and offer a free speech platform and look at all the different views. Well, they don't. It's basically Nigel Farage's broadcasting channel. And they've gone all in forage, as have many of the other newspapers, which is why I think he's managed opposition.

[00:45:17] Rupert Lowe: And knowing Nigel's, I do. I just don't think he's equipped to lead a team of people. I mean, we produce policy. I've given you a cross-section of some of our policies. We've got more to come because you can only rebuild this if you get the backing of the Democratic majority and you then have a plan.

[00:45:40] Rupert Lowe: And that was my issue with Nigel. He didn't have a plan. He hasn't got a policy plan. And you have to do it by policies basically which deregulate, which cut the size of the state. And as you cut the size of the state, so you cut taxes and you empower the individual. So you've got to have an economic policy.

[00:45:58] Rupert Lowe: You've got to have an energy policy, which is key, which I've given you a copy of that. That's in your pack. So you can get it all off our website. So the economic policy should be out after Makerfield, which I played a big part in writing that. But you've got to have a plan, Brett, because as I said to Nigel, if you win the election, which looked like we were going to do when I sat down with him in December 24, I said, you've got to have a plan.

[00:46:25] Rupert Lowe: If we win the election, we can't just go into this with no plan. You are fighting the Hydra. You cut one head off 10 of 10 of P. You've got to have a plan to cut those 10 off and keep cutting them off until the Hydra dies. But if you don't have that plan, the British people will judge you harshly.

[00:46:45] Rupert Lowe: Now, as I said to you earlier, I don't know if it's rescuable, but it certainly isn't rescuable if we don't all try. Not

[00:46:52] Bret Weinstein: only that, the thing people don't understand is however difficult it is to rescue it now, a year from now, it will be harder. And a year after that, harder still. Much harder.

[00:47:05] Rupert Lowe: And it won't mean near Varna. It's not going to be comfortable. No. Because when you come off printed money and you actually have to live a real life, it's a bit like withdrawing from drugs. At the end of the day, you have to have a bit of cold turkey and you have to start doing some honest work and being honest about where you are, who you are and what you want to achieve.

[00:47:25] Rupert Lowe: And I'm not sure that our society, to your point, is that certainly a lot of people aren't equipped to do that.

[00:47:32] Bret Weinstein: Well, a lot of people aren't equipped to address this as the tip of the spear. But, you know, a society can face this together. But my concern is that because organized crime is more than a metaphor here, because that's an actual description of the structures that seem to have taken power, they don't stand still.

[00:47:58] Bret Weinstein: And over time, they erode the very tools that you need to oust them. They cannot be ousted. And, you know, in the US at the moment, we are scratching our heads over just how much power is left in our electoral process. Would

[00:48:14] Rupert Lowe: you think it started, Brett, with Roosevelt undermining the 9th and 10th Amendment in order to perpetrate the New Deal, which he had to do, which again were two absolute central planks of your constitution. And I love those founding fathers, Jefferson, Madison, Adams, all of them, Washington, they're great men. I think, again, you see, that was the first systemic intervention.

[00:48:39] Rupert Lowe: And in order to do it, my view is he had to undermine the 9th and 10th Amendment from which the federal government has grown like a weed. And as you know, there's more corruption within federal government than anything else. I mean, do you think that was the beginning of the end? Or was it the creation of the Federal Reserve?

[00:48:59] Bret Weinstein: Creation of the Federal Reserve is a fair argument. But I struggle to know what the beginning was. And I start to wonder if that's even the wrong way to think about it. If, in effect, the beauty of what the founding fathers did was that they architected a game theoretically stable self-correcting structure. But it was a prototype.

[00:49:23] Bret Weinstein: And over time, the gaming of that structure has reduced its balance, has reduced its self-correcting tendency. And so, you know, the creation of the Federal Reserve, I think there's just a private company. Right. What extraordinary. Yes. Well, what exactly it is is not so clear, but it's certainly not a public entity in the way most people imagine.

[00:49:47] Rupert Lowe: Paying out LTCM in 1999, offshore company bailed out by the US taxpayer. I mean, I thought that was quite extraordinary. If that isn't dishonest, I don't know what is.

[00:49:55] Bret Weinstein: Well, we could be here all day listing examples of things that don't smell right in this regard. There's also the question of whether or not what happened in 1963 was a coup and whether or not the thing that took power in 1963 ever surrendered it.

[00:50:14] Rupert Lowe: So that would be the military complex. Probably wouldn't do it if anybody was responsible for that appalling assassination. That would be the military.

[00:50:25] Bret Weinstein: The military industrial complex. Correct. Right. And so anyway, we're sort of grappling with describing a structure.

[00:50:33] Rupert Lowe: This is the truth lie.

[00:50:34] Bret Weinstein: Right. This is the problem. We don't know. But it is apparently true that we still retain some power at the ballot box. I think it would be fair to say that something has developed the capacity to put its thumb on the scales of our elections. Therefore, in order to defeat the structure that has the power to put its thumb on the scales, you have to win by a significant margin.

[00:51:01] Bret Weinstein: I agree. It's not the way the system is supposed to function at all. But nonetheless, that's the reality.

[00:51:07] Rupert Lowe: Well, in Norfolk, when we won the council elections the other day, you could have halved all of our votes instead of one. So there was no room for fraud in that result. But if it's close, there's room for fraud, particularly with postal voting. Yes. And late block votes arriving by car and police escort.

[00:51:30] Rupert Lowe: It's open to complete abuse.

[00:51:31] Bret Weinstein: Not even just postal voting. But we've been looking at the Spencer Pratt's defeat in the L.A. mayoral race.

[00:51:42] Rupert Lowe: Good man, by the way, running a great AI campaign.

[00:51:45] Bret Weinstein: Sure looks to be, I mean, at least he's saying common sense things. If he carried through on his word, he'd be leaps and bounds better than the current governance of Los Angeles. But of course, he's now just failed to get to the runoff in an election that doesn't make much sense in terms of the difference between the mail-in ballots and the ballots that were counted day of.

[00:52:10] Bret Weinstein: And one thing I would say, if you look at the elections in California at the moment, and it's true also in Oregon and Washington, the other blue states, it's hard to prove fraud or rigging, but it's easy to see that it's there. You can't prove it.

[00:52:28] Rupert Lowe: So you sniff dirty work at the crossroads. You can you can detect it.

[00:52:33] Bret Weinstein: But I think the strongest piece of evidence that what we're detecting is actually real is that the structure of the elections themselves invites fraud and it invites fraud that would disproportionately serve the dominant party. So the dominant party has used its power to make elections that make it very hard to dislodge even when the public is livid.

[00:52:57] Rupert Lowe: Well, our policy is to effectively only allow postal votes on a very limited basis to those in the armed services and those who are terminally ill. Otherwise, it's one man, one woman, one vote in the polling booth. That's the only way that it can work.

[00:53:13] Bret Weinstein: I would agree with you. And I would say we have been sold a bill of goods, that the idea that getting the maximum number of votes is desirable and therefore we should tolerate all of the noise and room for skullduggery that that opens is absurd. What you want is a representative vote. That doesn't have to be, you know, bringing in every last person who lives remote from a polling place.

[00:53:40] Bret Weinstein: And that what I remember, what you will certainly remember as well, is that the way it used to be in the US, for example, the military voted absentee because they had to. A few people who would be traveling during an election managed to get an absentee vote, but it wasn't enough votes to sway very many elections.

[00:53:59] Bret Weinstein: In general, people voted at their polling place on the day of... Which is how it should be. Which is how it should be. It means, A, there's no confusion about why who is winning. You know, did something happen in the week during which people are voting that caused their opinion to flip?

[00:54:16] Rupert Lowe: And actually, if you look at the legality of voting here, the people who constructed the system did see the scope for electoral fraud. And there are actually quite a lot of protections for sealing boxes from polling booths and polling stations. Where the fraud comes in, to your point, is always the postal vote.

[00:54:38] Rupert Lowe: Right.

[00:54:38] Bret Weinstein: It's always the postal vote. Always the postal vote. Which neutralizes the best protection the public ever had for the sanctity of its elections, which was exit polls. Correct. We can't conduct an exit poll when people are voting by mail. And that's by design. If you had exit polls, then if something funny happens, you know it happened.

[00:54:57] Bret Weinstein: Because you can detect it in the difference between what was measured as people left the polls and what was recorded officially. So the point is, there's a reason that we have elections in which you can't have an exit poll and we don't have them. And the only reason that you would want that is if you did want the opportunity to commit fraud.

[00:55:17] Bret Weinstein: And it's the same, you know, the only argument for not requiring proof of citizenship and ID at the time of voting. The only argument for it is that you want a lot of people who shouldn't be voting to be able to do it. So again, you can't prove it with the evidence. Statistically anomalous things happen sometimes.

[00:55:38] Bret Weinstein: But you can prove that somebody built this system to be vulnerable to fraud. And the only people who would have done that are people who were interested in having the opportunity to commit fraud.

[00:55:48] Rupert Lowe: Incontrolling the outcome.

[00:55:49] Bret Weinstein: Yeah. So that brings me back to the other point, which is as difficult as it is to face rescuing the West, restoring Britain, rescuing the Republic, as difficult as it is, it's not getting easier. It's getting harder by the year because the illegitimate powers that have taken control use that power to reduce their exposed surface area.

[00:56:20] Bret Weinstein: And that's why it's so important, I think, for people to listen to this, to stare down these stigmas.

[00:56:26] Rupert Lowe: We've had three days of this now. Right. Well, sure. Honest, decent people turning out to canvas in Makerfield. We get this. I mean, the story is Britain is stirring. Good people are stirring. Right. The story you get from organized crime, perhaps, is this is the story they give.

[00:56:43] Bret Weinstein: Well, for those who are just listening, I'm holding up a newspaper from today.

[00:56:48] Rupert Lowe: And that's the widest circulation British paper.

[00:56:50] Bret Weinstein: The widest circulation British paper that accuses restore of being the new home for neo-Nazis. And as Rupert points out, you're going to have crazy people in any large entity.

[00:57:03] Rupert Lowe: It doesn't. Left wing parties, right wing parties, they've all got crazy people in them. Sure.

[00:57:07] Bret Weinstein: And, you know, if the fact that crazy people showed up in your party was a reason to dismiss it, then it provides a perfect mechanism for sabotaging any party that you don't want to see anymore. You send a few crazy people. So anyway, the point is, look, I've been accused of being a white supremacist.

[00:57:24] Bret Weinstein: I'm not a white supremacist. It was always absurd, but it scared people away. And the point is, look, yes, if you start listening to Rupert, they're going to call your names. Really ugly ones. But it's your responsibility to say, you know what, there's no merit in that accusation. Prove it. Right. Just stare it down.

[00:57:45] Bret Weinstein: And if you stare it down, your neighbor is going to see that they have to stare it down as well. And the point is the courage to stare it down is contagious. The more people who call their bluff, the less this stuff works.

[00:57:57] Rupert Lowe: But we're seeing this threat actually with our rape gang inquiry. So the root cause of the rape gang inquiry was this fear of being called a racist, which again, I think was part of the plot. So racism, being a racist, was used. And it was throughout the entire sort of cultural revolution of the 60s, 70s, you know, racism, those who were propagating multiculturalism, they had to sort of spread this racist thesis.

[00:58:26] Rupert Lowe: And there was no doubt that probably in the early days there was a bit of racism. I actually think Britain is the least racist place on earth and I hold to that. But the genesis of the rape gang was the people, rape gang is evil. It's just pure evil has been going on.

[00:58:44] Rupert Lowe: It's going on for 30, 40, 50 years.

[00:58:46] Bret Weinstein: The American public is much less aware of this story than you are here. So this is

[00:58:51] Rupert Lowe: basically the mass grooming and abuse of white working class English girls by largely Pakistani Muslims, mainly from one part of Pakistan called Meherpur. And this goes to the block vote. It goes to the postal vote we were talking about earlier. So the Labour Party largely, but the Tories didn't do enough about it when they were in power, but the Labour Party has put power ahead of right and wrong.

[00:59:20] Rupert Lowe: So you've had, and the fear of being called a racist by almost every state body has meant that they weren't prepared to look into this in the way they should have done. And that has effectively allowed this evil to propagate. And Labour continue to refuse. They refuse a national inquiry. They've now said they're having a national inquiry as a result of what we've done.

[00:59:46] Rupert Lowe: We've had 20,000 people who've crowdfunded a rape gang inquiry, which we've held. We had two-week hearings, two of the worst weeks of my life. We had some absolutely horrific testimony. And a lot of this goes back to the tensions really. A lot of it's down to Islam and the way in which Islam teaches its followers that they are superior to other religions.

[01:00:13] Rupert Lowe: And as you know, if you ever, during these crusades, if you lost a battle to Saladin, you had two choices. You either converted to Islam or they killed you. And it's not dissimilar to that. And we go into all the reasons, and I urge everybody to read our report. It's 200 pages of, I think it's fascinating, even though my team, my wonderful team has done it with the help of a superb barrister called Graham Smith.

[01:00:41] Rupert Lowe: Graham Smith, we held the hearings properly. We've done it with the backing of these 20,000 concerned people here. So it's a big issue here. And a lot of it has been hushed up because it's in working class communities rather than the mainstream wanting it. So these people who call me a neo-Nazi have allowed, this is a national newspaper, have allowed this evil to continue for, as I say, 30, 40, 50 years on an increasing scale.

[01:01:14] Rupert Lowe: And it's been allowed because people are frightened of being called racist, to your earlier point. And not only that, you've ended up with the creation of Sharia courts. Now we have 85 Sharia courts, which is quite extraordinary. How can you have Sharia courts? Well, you tell me, Brett, this is a country with our laws.

[01:01:36] Rupert Lowe: And as I say, I'm very happy for me to come here and integrate. These people aren't integrating. They're living their sort of almost tribal lives, that they're sort of, they're like sort of probably we were a thousand years ago with sort of family loyalties and community loyalties, which trump every other race. So in the end, you get all sorts of dishonesty.

[01:02:03] Rupert Lowe: But again, our state has not been prepared to deal with this.

[01:02:07] Bret Weinstein: But how can you have a Sharia court in Great Britain?

[01:02:11] Rupert Lowe: How does that even work? You have 85, I think it's 85, I'm right, I'm saying 85 Sharia courts here. What does that mean? It is bizarre. It is like a parallel legal system.

[01:02:20] Bret Weinstein: So are these courts that are set up by communities that are operating outside of the British legal system? Yes, the British legal system.

[01:02:29] Rupert Lowe: Yes, they have to go. We're quite public about it. We cannot have it. We all, if we live in this country, we all have to live under one law. And that law has to be implemented without fear or favor. And everybody should be treated the same way. But as I said to you, the judiciary has been undermined because the judges now, you see, they'll send Lucy Connolly to prison for whatever she got, 30 months for a social media post, which was in response to the Southport killings.

[01:02:57] Rupert Lowe: Which she deleted after four hours. They sent her to prison. And then you get sort of a Pakistani Muslim rapist who will get off with three years for raping girls on the basis that the judge says their culture has a different view to how you should treat white working class English girls to the way in which a white man has it.

[01:03:20] Rupert Lowe: Well, I'm sorry, that doesn't work for me. We have to have one rule for everybody. You can't have two tier policing or two tier legal system. It's just wrong. The back bench book guidance for magistrates has gone incredibly soft. So again, it's not all the police is fault because the police, when they do bring these cases, very often the magistrates don't dispense justice.

[01:03:44] Rupert Lowe: They let the criminals off. And this goes to our point about about organized crime. I mean, why would you want to live in a society? Why indeed is there a society which rewards criminality and punishes those people who live their lives honestly, which is what's happening.

[01:04:00] Bret Weinstein: And what does

[01:04:01] Rupert Lowe: that do to the future? And if you express your concern about what's happening on social media, you can get a prison. And look at today, response banned social media for under 16s, right? Yeah. Well, they've just given 16 or they're proposing to give 16 year old the vote. Right. And now they're banning social media for under 16.

[01:04:22] Rupert Lowe: So the very place where all these people should be getting the information and having the online debate on free speech platforms, they're taking that away. What that why, because that means they can indoctrinate them at school. And again, I I've been talking to more and more parents here and we have this we have this ability to home educate.

[01:04:44] Rupert Lowe: So I advise as many people as possible. If you've got the qualifications, don't allow your child into this misguided education system, which doesn't teach people, as you said, common sense or logical fairness or history. It basically it's in Orwellian sort of, you know, almost brainwashing exercise to and a lot of young people don't know their history.

[01:05:13] Rupert Lowe: And then when they do know their history, they go, how was I taught that? So I think a lot of parents are now home educating their children with some justification. And that's not just state schools. That's that's what we call an art. As you know, we have public schools. A lot of them have gone woke.

[01:05:29] Rupert Lowe: And to give you an example, I did a speech to the old the the Atonian Debating Society, about 200 young Atonians, which is our one of our top private schools along with Harrow and Radley, where I went. And I I was asked by Jacob Rees-Mogg's son to speak there. And the school attempted to stop me speaking on the basis that I was far right to your to your newspaper heading.

[01:06:02] Rupert Lowe: But the credit to the boys, the boys fought back and says, our debating society and we want him to come and speak. And in the end, I went. I spoke to about 200 of them. We had a wonderful evening. I had dinner with them. But this is a private school, but it's got a woke headmaster.

[01:06:22] Rupert Lowe: And again, these philosophies, which you or I would totally disagree with, and you were much more embedded into the educational system than I've ever been. I mean, when I was brought up, I was brought up by by in my schools, I went to the Dragon School in Oxford. You know, some of my teachers had worked on, you know, on the Japanese prisoner railway line in Burma, places like that.

[01:06:44] Rupert Lowe: And they'd suffered tremendous deprivation. Many of them died young. But they really believed in freedom, individualism, in freedom of speech, in freedom of expression. They were really good people. So I would have absolutely no hesitation in my children going to school like that. Today, would I would I be happy? My children are being properly educated.

[01:07:05] Rupert Lowe: I mean, the Dragon School, I was in a house called Gunga Din. I don't know if you read Rudyard Kipling, but Rudyard Kipling, in my view, is not remotely racist. And ultimately, it was a house called Gunga Din. Anyway, the Dragon School considered Rudyard Kipling to be racist. And so I fought back against it.

[01:07:27] Rupert Lowe: We used to give money to the Dragon School. We stopped it now. And they changed the name of that house to Dragon House on the basis that Rudyard Kipling was a racist. Well, I'm sorry, he wasn't a racist. And the whole sort of weird philosophy that you and I have been talking about, which is now permeated throughout all our schools, is creating people who don't know the truth.

[01:07:52] Rupert Lowe: And when people don't know the truth, that's the danger. So a lot of them have got a lot of learning to do if they're going to be able to make good decisions for themselves because they've been brainwashed by some form of Orwellian state, which is creating this dependency culture.

[01:08:13] Bret Weinstein: I want to talk to you about my cabbie this morning. In London? Yeah. So I got into my-- You got a lot of support with the cabbies. Well, I asked my cabbie about you. I wanted to see what he would say. I do a lot of talking to people who have no idea who I am.

[01:08:28] Rupert Lowe: Cabbies know the game. They're on the ball. They do. But when

[01:08:32] Bret Weinstein: I mentioned your name, he said, "Oh, wow. He's really far right." And I said, "Really? What makes you say that?" And he, you know, hemmed and hawed a little bit. And then when it became clear that I actually found what you were saying reasonable, he became much more forthcoming about his openness to what you have to say.

[01:08:59] Bret Weinstein: So anyway, the picture I'm getting-- Did he charge you for the ride?

[01:09:04] Rupert Lowe: He did charge me for the ride. I've had several cabbies who refused to take my money recently and credit to them. I've even had friends who say they know me and they've had a free ride. I'd say most of the cabbies are pretty sound and they've had to suffer Sadiq Khan. They've had to suffer, who by the way is a denier that rape gangs are happening in London, which we know they are.

[01:09:27] Rupert Lowe: Again, he is, in my view, the most horrific individual. I can't understand how Londoners keep electing him as Mayor of London. I mean, he's done untold damage to London. And the city I used to know and love, which was the safest, best place in the world to be, where everybody wanted to be, is now unsafe.

[01:09:46] Rupert Lowe: You know, I've had people try to take my phone off me. It is now, you know, I call it Sadiq Khan's war zone. So the cabbies, the cabbies, I'm sorry you didn't get a free ride.

[01:09:58] Bret Weinstein: No, no, I was glad to pay for it, actually. But what I want to get at is this. First of all, there's something eerie for me coming to London because London is suffering the exact same fate as Los Angeles, San Francisco, Portland, Seattle, Vancouver. They're all the same. It's not an accident that they're all the same.

[01:10:22] Bret Weinstein: It's a playbook. And that playbook has people like Mike Abbey in a bit of a predicament because, on the one hand, the way I grew up, the very notion that there might be gangs of men raping young women is the kind of thing that should enrage and galvanize all civilized people. It's so intolerable and so obviously so that there should be no-- And so wrong.

[01:10:56] Bret Weinstein: And so wrong. There should be no division over it whatsoever. It should be all of us against the tiny number of these good

[01:11:04] Rupert Lowe: and false-- Some of these guys are in traffic to Saudi Arabia and places like that. Right. But you just can't believe what's been allowed to happen.

[01:11:10] Bret Weinstein: Well, I can because I'm watching the same decay with the Yankee accent happening all over the West Coast and through much of the Eastern seaboard as well. So the point is, how could it possibly be that a civilization that as recent as a couple of decades ago had basic common sense can confront something so obviously evil as organized rape gangs and not know what to think about it?

[01:11:38] Bret Weinstein: Well, the answer is that when you think the obvious thing about it, which is that that is evil and intolerable and nobody should disagree, then the point is, ah, the specter of racism blooms its ugly head. And you think, what? I'm against the rape of innocent young women. Why is that racist? Why is that racist?

[01:12:01] Bret Weinstein: Why is that racist? Aren't you the racist for claiming that my opposing the rape of young women is racist?

[01:12:06] Rupert Lowe: I mean, so it's almost unbelievable when you voice that.

[01:12:10] Bret Weinstein: Right. The point is the only literature that I'm aware of that properly captures the absurdity of it is Orwell.

[01:12:18] Rupert Lowe: And for a reason. Well, there are a lot of Napoleon the pigs about on there nowadays.

[01:12:23] Bret Weinstein: Well, that's that's just the thing. When I read Orwell as a younger man, I thought this is great, but it's a little over the top. Right. It's a little it's absurd. It's too obvious. Now, I think, nope, it was perfectly literal. He was describing the exact inversion of language that you get the you know, the Kafka traps.

[01:12:45] Bret Weinstein: The whole thing is actually him warning us in terms that were unbelievable until it happened.

[01:12:52] Rupert Lowe: He was a very exceptional man, actually. I mean, he went to Eton, you know, he married an Irish lady. He fought in the Spanish Civil War. And he wrote these amazing books, which have been proved to be incredibly prescient. Yes, they're warnings. They are warnings. But how many people actually read them? Why are they not on all school syllabuses?

[01:13:13] Rupert Lowe: Right. What was he called? Citizen Smith. Was it Citizen Smith, Winston Smith or somebody? Yeah, Winston. I think it was Winston Smith. Anyway, so no, he was an amazing man. And Huxley was similar. Yeah. We create. We have these people, you know, and these are people who are, you know, they're by the way, the Spanish Civil War was probably the most horrific civil war ever.

[01:13:42] Rupert Lowe: And it really was horrific. But, you know, he was a principled man and clearly a visionary. What do you wrote? The road to Wigan Pier, he wrote, which again, very relevant to Makerfield, the by-election. We're up there. But no, I think you're right. I think people should read all of all those books and they should take them all in because, you know, it really is.

[01:14:08] Rupert Lowe: It is a dystopian world now that we live in.

[01:14:11] Bret Weinstein: That is it. We are actively living in a dystopian trap. And the cabbie who is on his guard asked a perfectly obvious question, gives a guarded answer.

[01:14:28] Rupert Lowe: He thought you were an American academic. He didn't. He was bound to think I was a father, bound to fall for that.

[01:14:33] Bret Weinstein: He was bound to think so. And he didn't want to say anything that was going to cause an issue. And so the point is I actually discovered this during COVID. I was living in Portland, maybe the most liberal city in the US. I was very much aware that things were not right, especially when it came to the vaccines, which I know as a biologist could not possibly have been safe.

[01:14:59] Bret Weinstein: They turned out to be as horrific as one could imagine. But what I found was that when I talked to people, they were very much on board with scenes until I said that I wasn't. And then almost everybody had a confession of doubt. Almost no matter who I talked to, if I said, you know what, I don't actually think they are safe.

[01:15:22] Bret Weinstein: And here's why. Then the person would say, yeah, I don't think they're safe either. In fact, I know somebody who got one and had a terrible reaction.

[01:15:29] Rupert Lowe: I know lots of friends who, and to your point, I thought you were incredibly brave during that. But before the interview, I read I read a bit about the issues you had. And I had similar issues here, but I think here I'm not sure the majority of people did question the vaccines. I think they have this view that modern medicine is good.

[01:15:48] Rupert Lowe: Yeah, and To question it is bad. Right but and we got very much Brainwashed by something called the nudge team again, which is all William, you know How dare the state have something called the nudge team to nudge people and and brainwash them I mean that is shocking but there was a nudge team and I lost friends over the kovat issue because I'm not vaccinated I wouldn't touch that stuff, you know, I had covered in the European Parliament.

[01:16:17] Rupert Lowe: I had kovat again here after Cheltenham Covers are cold. So I I was innately Mistrusting of the vaccine. I'd already had The illness and my body would have built up natural Antibodies because he was a man-made virus without any shadow of a doubt. Sure Quite why they developed it. I don't know but the vaccines in my view and I've seen my friends have myocarditis you know, they've had strokes they've had these are perfectly fit people and The states in denial and and you know, I think it's a classic example.

[01:16:51] Rupert Lowe: It's not denial bad decision-making They do not want anyone to talk about it. We have an MP in parliament X MP in parliament called Andrew Bridgen who I know like you You know, he's very knowledgeable. I think he studied medicine or some form of virology at The postman at Nokom University and he he stood up and spoke about this in Parliament and he got ostracized He made a perfectly reasonable statement, which Rishi Sunak actually ostracized him for when he got kicked out of the Tory party and he's been vilified and again, he accuses The government of

[01:17:30] Rupert Lowe: vote rigging in his Northwest listship and consistency So I mean look they don't want to have the discussion I suspect to my point earlier in ten years time when all these people who made these decisions have retired Maybe they'll admit it and maybe they'll set up a compensation a proper compensation.

[01:17:47] Bret Weinstein: We don't have we don't have time

[01:17:49] Rupert Lowe: We have to it's gonna affect everybody for years to come of

[01:17:53] Bret Weinstein: course, and I'm not I think addressing the crimes of Covid is Probably the top priority But I wanted to use the lesson of what was true during Covid in order to understand the predicament now Why can a society not agree that? Rape gangs is just simply evil and has to be addressed at any cost because to believe otherwise results in accusations of racism to be accused of racism Especially if you do the natural thing which is to talk about it in the way We now do talk about these things online and

[01:18:35] Bret Weinstein: it can land you in jail so the point is you've got a structure that is clearly designed to create the self censorship that allows it to see what is large it allows evil to flourish and it makes it seem Like there is a diversity of opinion about how serious Rape gangs actually are there's of course there can be no Diversity of opinion right?

[01:19:02] Bret Weinstein: It's not the kind of thing about which diversity of opinion is appropriate It's about

[01:19:06] Rupert Lowe: right and wrong right, but the Labour Party I say it can never be elected again because they put power Ahead of principle and if you do that, you don't deserve to be reelected and and you know, they are Not anything competent there was in my view they're dishonest and I think starma he's a huge Fabian He's a member of the Hall danes society, you know He's basically a grantskin mask is Marxist brought up by his mother and and he unlike Corbin I mean Corbin I disagree profoundly with almost everything that

[01:19:35] Rupert Lowe: Jeremy Corbin says but at least he's honest about what he thinks even Lunatic he is you you can have a conversation with him and and he respects the fact he disagrees with me and I respect the fact I disagree with him. Yeah, but you can't look here starma because I think he is genuinely a wolf in sheep's clothing Which is the Fabian society?

[01:19:54] Rupert Lowe: emblem so so Again, this is all part of this. I Think the truth we're trying to get up with this conversation, which is very difficult to pin down It's like trying to pin diarrhea to the wall. It's very difficult to actually put your finger on it, but you know, it's that It's it's very hard.

[01:20:12] Rupert Lowe: Isn't it to work it out?

[01:20:13] Bret Weinstein: Well, I think it's I think you have to apply slightly different standard than then would be optimal in other words I've stopped being shy about Saying here is something that I can see is true, but I cannot prove is true Right that we confront organized crime, which is in some way rape gangs.

[01:20:36] Rupert Lowe: We've our ports out tomorrow. We proved it's true

[01:20:39] Bret Weinstein: Oh the rape gangs are clearly true Okay, the fact that society has been held back from having a perfectly normal human reaction to discovering that such a thing is true That's obvious that there is a structure that prevents people from saying the most obvious things about this most black and white of issues

[01:21:01] Rupert Lowe: The state the state by the way called it Asian grooming gangs now we hate that because No, Japanese are involved. So that is a complete misnomer So that's why in parliament I called it the Pakistani Muslim rape gangs and I got a lot of stick in parliament Because all I do is I'm not that able I just tell the truth and I I stand up in parliament and I speak as I find Apollos not used to that Brett and I it may well be that's the case also in in your in both your houses because

[01:21:36] Rupert Lowe: The truth doesn't see the light of day and when somebody speaks the truth, it shocks everybody Well, we've

[01:21:43] Bret Weinstein: just had a most extraordinary turn of events where Thomas Massey did speak the truth and was targeted by the president and Has just lost his primary bid to retain his seat So the point is every so often Somebody stands up and speaks the truth and there are special penalties reserved for such people and I

[01:22:13] Rupert Lowe: guess Well so far I've I've got away with it on the basis that I don't care But you know who knows what penance is that I will suffer fortunately. I'm Successful, I don't rely on a multi multinational corporation for a job or for a pen right? But again that newspaper printed an equally appalling headline yesterday with a picture of a young 18 year old who probably will suffer the consequences of being put on the front page of the Daily Mail and they don't care and And this is this is somebody who's concerned about

[01:22:46] Rupert Lowe: mass immigration And you know had been talking at some summit in in in in Europe About it because Europe's becoming concerned about it as well There's a lot of big big movement in Europe who's starting to wake up to what's been happening. So So, I mean these it's just wrong. Isn't it? The whole thing is just Wrong, even flourishing and somehow we have to put our foot on its head.

[01:23:14] Bret Weinstein: It's not just wrong. It's Obviously wrong and the fact that the obviousness is being Denied Tells you where we are in history And so I think really the message and the reason that I resonated so strongly when I saw your statement announcing restore was To have somebody who says look I'm just going to describe what is taking place and what I think it means and that means That I am accepting the consequences that I know full well Will follow from my just simply stating the obvious

[01:23:54] Rupert Lowe: but was kovat about money or was it about some? Attempt to control population to limit growth down the line to plant, you know a long-term sort of Gene therapy within people so that as cancer rates rises no obvious link to it I don't know what what do you think was the was it simply money and and I don't think it was it was it was a Something greater to it.

[01:24:22] Bret Weinstein: Let's put it this way. I keep alive in my mind a spectrum of possible explanations the best possible explanation the least horrifying is that a psychopathic Pharma industry decided that the mRNA platform was the ultimate cash cow that they didn't care how many people died as a result of Their plan and that they used an existing emergency To speed that platform past safety testing that the platform itself could never have gotten through under normal circuits, which they did right That's the best of a middle of money a Lot of money was made and the number of

[01:25:07] Bret Weinstein: mRNA shots that are headed our way is if people understood it They would know why we have to actually adjudicate the crimes of covet But again, that's the best case scenario based on what we are certain of at this point. There are much darker possibilities here one is that both the virus and the vaccine are Stochastically life shortening That someone may have decided to solve the problem of governmental commitments by effectively Culling the elderly and the vulnerable before they became costly.

[01:25:46] Rupert Lowe: We had a case of the government releasing infected patients into care homes Bit like I say sending the you know, Francis Drake sent the fire ships into the Armada They literally released them. This is Hancock and this woman Amanda Pritchard released them into the care homes And a lot of the care homes were then ravaged with with with kovat.

[01:26:07] Bret Weinstein: Yes, they were Now there's a question about whether that was done In order to jack up the numbers of Covid victims in order to make the pandemic the so-called pandemic more terrifying than it actually was Don't know

[01:26:27] Rupert Lowe: but then it's too big. There's too big to think that they would be that evil But in order to make I do what they did here to make the numbers look bigger Was they said if you died of Covid you didn't have to have a an autopsy So it was much easier for the medical profession to sign off that it was a kovat death

[01:26:45] Bret Weinstein: Well, there were a hundred tricks that they used To increase the number of apparent deaths. I mean people were you know Dying of

[01:26:53] Rupert Lowe: well, you know, that's a lot of morphine who knows what we're killing ventilators Ventilators was that killing them and adds on morphine. Where does the truth lie again? It's very difficult to say there was

[01:27:03] Bret Weinstein: there was a tremendous amount done to inflate the numbers of seeming covid victims But I will also say there's one, you know at the other end of the spectrum from this was just you know nakedly about profit there's the very troubling fact that The mRNA covid shots if you got two or more of them They triggered the production of a class of antibody that actually turns down immunity rather than up Now the problem with that is a we now know that the virus and by extension the shots Were part of a

[01:27:42] Bret Weinstein: bioweapons program dual use

[01:27:44] Rupert Lowe: research Can I just ask is that true for the so if you have two gene therapies, which is the Pfizer and the Moderna Is it true if you had the AstraZeneca and then you had a Pfizer would that trigger the same response because one's a viral vector Drug isn't it?

[01:28:00] Bret Weinstein: Well, yeah, do you know that adenovirus vectored? I do not believe the adenovirus vectored shot triggers the same response But of course, but it did cause some damage. Oh a lot of damage. There are quite a number of injured people though I think it was less damaging than the mRNA But in any case the production of this IGG for antibody class Creates the hazard that if somebody wanted to bio engineer a Another virus and put the spike protein on it just as a flag They could trigger the immune systems of anybody who had that shot to

[01:28:40] Bret Weinstein: turn themselves down So in other words, you've got bioweapons Scientists Who delivered a shot? that causes All of the people who got it to be more vulnerable to a future engineered pathogen. Was that an accident? I? Don't know. It seems strange. You hope not Wouldn't you Brett? I would hope it was an accident, but I can't convince myself that it was Because basically the point is they they have solved one of the problems that bio weapons Manufacturers have never been able to solve before which is to have a dangerous pathogen For which you have a

[01:29:25] Bret Weinstein: population that is not vulnerable The problem is instead of doing it the way you classically think you would do it Which is to provide a vaccine that creates immunity they provided a vaccine that creates vulnerability That is a very strange thing for them to have accomplished in the inverse by accident

[01:29:46] Rupert Lowe: And the other thing that's not clear is clear a man-made virus But did it was it genuine the Chinese era escaping from from the Wuhan lab? Why were they fiddling around with all these? dangerous viruses Was it was it part of this bigger scheme that you're talking of well, which which would which would which would really test one's belief in In the way in which we're governed I

[01:30:10] Bret Weinstein: worry about it all because clearly the virus Was an American product? Was that American product then actually sent to China and did it leak from the Wuhan Institute by accident? Was this released on the Wuhan Institute's doorstep in order to pin their their fingerprints to it and And you know the one thing that worries me about that interpretation is that the Chinese behaved guilty If the Chinese were innocent if it was dropped on Wuhan's doorstep, you would have expected them to say hey, wait a minute Why don't you come in and take a

[01:30:47] Bret Weinstein: look at our freezers? This isn't our virus, but they didn't so anyway One has to be where's the truth line? We don't know but I would say you have to keep open a spectrum of possibilities and to your point earlier I wouldn't put any of it past them. We're dealing with people who are clearly perfectly comfortable causing human deaths of innocent people What else they're capable of I couldn't say Well Rupert Lowe it has been a real pleasure talking to you I am greatly heartened to discover common sense here on the other side of the pond and I hope

[01:31:27] Bret Weinstein: that what people will take from this discussion is that The time to stand up is now What is what seems to be obviously happening in front of you really is obviously happening and it's not your responsibility to prove it Simply logically putting together the structure is is good enough And anyway, I wonder if you have anything you want to say in closing

[01:31:51] Rupert Lowe: Well, I just hope that enough people wake up before it's too late because I as you said the longer it goes on the more damage Damages gonna be done maybe too late anyway, but we got to try and I'm encouraged by how many people are Coming to help us. I don't think that's ever been seen in British political history before So many volunteers coming from where we had a guy coming from Hong Kong the other day Ireland driven driving down from the north of Scotland.

[01:32:19] Rupert Lowe: I mean, these are really truly fantastic people and they're not yeah No, this is they're real people with concerns so You've got the bit about my political career earlier on we've got it we've got that I think covered but You know, I'm I'm a great believer in an accountable nation-state, which basically is paternal in the way in which it looks after its people and particularly the people who live in a law-abiding way who pay their taxes and who are responsible for basically what the country is and I can't ever get my mind around why or how unless

[01:32:59] Rupert Lowe: there was a Unless there was an ulterior motive. Why are Establishment in Europe and particularly in our country here Would have thought that multiculturalism was a good idea for the stability of their own nation Targeted immigration fine. I'm not anti immigration if it's done on a very small sensible basis, which it was before Tony Blair With I think some sort of Immigration post-war when the country thought it needed to have people to do things that the English people British people weren't prepared to do or weren't able to do So now I I think

[01:33:44] Rupert Lowe: nation-state countable Parliament Let's get back to what we always were and what made us great and I've always believed that in Europe the reason that we actually created what we've created and it's a fascinating history is because of the dynamic tensions between Nation states so France and Britain and Germany and all the nations of Europe And you're seeing it in Ukraine now a lot of the the most Advanced military creations which are feeding into science creations come from war and You know peace is not always a good thing and I

[01:34:24] Rupert Lowe: think post-war Arguably, we don't want war but we equally have to stand up for what we believe in Otherwise we end up in an Orwellian world, which is not where I want to live

[01:34:36] Bret Weinstein: Yes, I 100% agree. I think It is obvious that That When Immigration is desirable. You should never invite anyone into your society who doesn't aspire to join it Who doesn't integrate they must free integrate that that's the point they have to be one They have to want to be part of it That's a prerequisite to a

[01:34:59] Rupert Lowe: your culture respect your religion respect your laws and come here and live in peace, right?

[01:35:04] Bret Weinstein: And that there's nothing racist about noticing that we dropped that standard and it has not done good things For your nation or mine.

[01:35:13] Rupert Lowe: No Your I think your Constitution is to some extent protected you But then ours could be our Savior because as you know The British Constitution is unwritten, right and that gives you arguably more power Than the checks and balances that were put in by those great men.

[01:35:32] Bret Weinstein: Well ours is hanging by a thread but In light of that, I think the message is clear the time is now People with common sense need to come together and they need to stare down the stigmas and join forces

[01:35:46] Rupert Lowe: common sense is the key Isn't it? It is?

[01:35:49] Bret Weinstein: All right. Well, thank you for doing what you're doing pleasure.

[01:35:52] Rupert Lowe: I really appreciate it. See you. Thanks for coming down, Bret.