Everyday Treason: The 336th Evolutionary Lens with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying
Published date: July 29, 2026
Hosts: Dr. Bret Weinstein and Dr. Heather Heying
Podcast: DarkHorse Podcast
Episode: The 336th Evolutionary Lens livestream
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Summary
On the 336th Evolutionary Lens livestream, Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying revisit the Covid era through excerpts from Heather’s Covid Era Stories project. The accounts describe pandemic restrictions, hospital visitation rules, family divisions, vaccine coercion, adverse-event concerns, and the difficulty of remembering how disorienting the period became.
They then examine Anthony Fauci’s July 29, 2026 appearance before the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs, during which he repeatedly invoked the Fifth Amendment and declined to answer questions. Bret and Heather discuss the legal and political implications of Fauci’s pardon, the committee’s threatened contempt action, and what they argue his protected status reveals about institutional power and public accountability.
The episode closes with a discussion of polarization over Fauci and science, the distinction between science and scientism, informed consent and the consent of the governed, and the challenge of using evidence to reach people who remain divided over what happened during the Covid era.
About the Hosts
Dr. Bret Weinstein is an evolutionary biologist, co-host of the DarkHorse Podcast, and co-author of A Hunter-Gatherer’s Guide to the 21st Century. His work focuses on evolutionary trade-offs, institutions, free speech, medicine, and the challenges of modern life.
Dr. Heather Heying is an evolutionary biologist, author, and co-host of the DarkHorse Podcast. She writes Natural Selections and co-authored A Hunter-Gatherer’s Guide to the 21st Century, which applies evolutionary thinking to contemporary life.
Mentioned
Testimony of Anthony Fauci — Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs
Covid Era Stories — Natural Selections (stories #17, 23, 8, 9, 24, and 3 excerpted in the episode)
Episode Chapters
00:00:04 Toby Is on the Mend
00:02:48 Sponsor: Xlear
00:04:27 Sponsor: Puori
00:06:41 Sponsor: Mars Men
00:10:12 Flying by the Seat of Your Pants
00:12:52 Fauci Returns to the Senate
00:16:12 Remembering the Covid Era
00:19:02 Covid Era Stories
00:26:06 Manufactured Consent
00:33:37 Fauci Takes the Fifth
00:38:03 Rand Paul, Pardons & Contempt
00:44:23 Fauci: A Made Man?
00:50:37 Informed Consent of the Governed
00:55:32 Science vs. Scientism
01:05:09 We Won the Facts—and Lost
Main Topics
Anthony Fauci’s July 29, 2026 Senate testimony
The Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs
Fauci’s Fifth Amendment refusal to answer questions
Presidential pardons, immunity, contempt of Congress, and accountability
Covid Era Stories and the difficulty of remembering the pandemic period
Lockdowns, hospital visitation rules, mandates, and family separation
Vaccine coercion, informed consent, and adverse-event concerns
Natural immunity, mRNA shots, IgG4, and repurposed drugs
Covid origins, gain-of-function research, and federal records
Institutional power, mafias, and the idea of a protected “made man”
Science, scientism, public trust, and political polarization
The consent of the governed and the public’s right to answers
How to reach people who remain divided over the Covid era
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Transcript
This transcript was prepared from the episode’s speaker-labeled SRTX caption file and lightly consolidated into readable paragraphs. The source file begins at the episode’s true 00:00:00 timecode, so no timestamp offset has been applied.
[00:00:04] Dr. Bret Weinstein: Hey folks, welcome to the DarkHorse Podcast livestream number 336. I'm Dr. Bret Weinstein; you are Dr. Heather Heying for those who have been sitting on the edge of their seat for news of Toby after his motorcycle accident, uh, that we discussed last time. Toby is on the mend going to be fine. Seems like he does not need surgery on his foot. Still a possibility, but in any case, um, the boy is nothing if not impressive. Not only is he physically bouncing back at an amazing rate, but he is, um, emotionally as well or better than you could possibly imagine. He's, he's quite a guy.
[00:00:52] Dr. Heather Heying: Yeah. So, so remarkable. And we are so grateful. Um, and thank you for all of the well wishes that we received across many, uh, many different avenues. Um, it was, it was hard of course. Uh, and, uh, we are just full of gratitude for, for all that has gone right here.
[00:01:15] Dr. Bret Weinstein: Yes. It's, uh, it's, I've started thinking of it, not as a terrible motorcycle accident, which it was, but it's an excellent motorcycle accident because of how well it turned out relative to what might've been so, so there it is. It's, um, quite a relief and, uh, I definitely puts things in into stark. I already said relief. I can't say stark relief. It puts things into, yes, stark perspective.
[00:01:41] Dr. Heather Heying: Yes. This, this is what matters. Right. Um, today we're going to talk about some other things that matter in light of the hearings, uh, in the, uh, Senate this morning, the, um, what was it? It's Homeland Security and Government and Regulations, I think is the name of the committee, uh, in which, uh, Fauci was, you know, he was supposed to be testifying, I guess, but, uh, that's not exactly what happened.
[00:02:10] Dr. Bret Weinstein: No, oddly not.
[00:02:11] Dr. Heather Heying: Yeah.
[00:02:12] Dr. Bret Weinstein: Oddly not.
[00:02:12] Dr. Heather Heying: Yeah. So we are, we're going to, um, after we, after we pay the rent, um, by reading you ads from three of our amazing sponsors here. We're going to start by, um, reminding our audience of some of where we have been, not we personally, but we as a country, uh, in which I'm going to share some excerpts from the Covid Era Stories that I've been publishing on natural selections, uh, for much of this year, and then we're going to talk about, uh, what happened in the Senate today and, uh, some of what we think it means. So that's, that's what's coming today. Uh, so without further ado, let's, let's go to the ads. Yeah, let's do that. Let's do that. All right. So our first sponsor this week is Xlear. Xlear is a nasal spray that supports respiratory health. It's widely available online and in stores and both it and the company that makes it are fantastic.
[00:02:57] Dr. Heather Heying: It's Xlear X-L-E-A-R, but pronounced clear, even though it's got an X right there at the top and no, no C we wash our hands and that's good, but it's rare to get sick to your hands, nasal hygiene often gets overlooked, but the majority of bacteria and viruses that make a sick enter through our mouths and noses and are clear. Xlear is a nice nasal spray that contains Xylitol also spelled with an X a five carbon sugar, which reduces the stickiness of bacteria and viruses to our tissues. When Xylitol is present bacteria and viruses such as strep, SARS-CoV-2 and RSV don't adhere to our airways as well. This helps our bodies, natural defense mechanisms easily flush them away. Clear is a simple nasal spray. Use it morning and evening. It takes just three seconds. It's fast, easy, and decidedly healthy.
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[00:04:14] Dr. Bret Weinstein: Awesome.
[00:04:15] Dr. Heather Heying: It is awesome. Yeah.
[00:04:16] Dr. Bret Weinstein: It's a Xlear with an X, which is just such an unclear way of spelling it. It's clear as mud.
[00:04:22] Dr. Heather Heying: Our second sponsor for this episode is Puori and also a slightly unusual spelling. So I'll just go there first. P-U-O-R-I, Puori. Puori makes a wide array of supplements and powders from vitamin C and magnesium to creatine and protein powders. Actually, what I've written here is protein powers. They do not make protein powers. They make protein powders, but perhaps Toby who uses their protein powders. Maybe he feels like it gives him some protein powers.
[00:04:51] Dr. Bret Weinstein: That's,
[00:04:52] Dr. Heather Heying: that's, I'm not quoting him though.
[00:04:55] Dr. Bret Weinstein: Right.
[00:04:55] Dr. Heather Heying: Yeah.
[00:04:56] Dr. Bret Weinstein: Yeah. Yeah. No, he hasn't said it, which is, he hasn't said it.
[00:04:58] Dr. Heather Heying: Not to put it on. I wouldn't, I wouldn't, uh, misattribute a quote to him. What makes Puori different is how clean and pure all of their products are. All of them. Let's focus on Puori's grass fed whey protein powder, which was named best overall by Vogue US and cleanest protein by Wired. Our son Toby, 20 years old agrees. He's been making protein enriched smoothies for a few years now, but had a hard time finding a protein powder that he liked of Puori's protein powder. He says, this is the best of all the ones I've tried. It's smooth going down and full of great whey protein. Puori's grass fed whey protein powder is not just nutritious. It's clean. A significant fraction of protein powders on the market contain lead and amounts that are known to be dangerous. In comparison, Puori consistently meets California prop 65 standards and is clean label project certified.
[00:05:45] Dr. Heather Heying: Proteins, nope, Puori's protein powder also delivers a whopping 21 grams of whey protein in each serving and is free of GMOs, pesticides, and exogenous hormones, whether you're looking for a magnesium or a multivitamin collagen or protein powder, you cannot go wrong with Puori. Use code darkhorse at Puori.com slash DarkHorse to get 32% off your first Puori grass fed whey protein order. When you start a subscription. In addition, you get a free premium shaker bottle on your first subscription order. Go to Puori Puori.com slash DarkHorse and use the code DarkHorse at checkout for this limited offer. Maybe, maybe Toby's a regular ingestion of Puori's protein powder have helped contribute to his incredibly rapid healing. I don't know, but both things are true.
[00:06:27] Dr. Bret Weinstein: It's not hurting him. And, uh, yeah, although his youth also, I remember healing my grass and man, it's incredible to watch. You can almost hear it.
[00:06:35] Dr. Heather Heying: It's true.
[00:06:37] Dr. Bret Weinstein: All right. Our third sponsor today, Heather is Mars Men. That's Mars Men spelled with a Q of course, because all sponsors at DarkHorse have to spell their brand with some letter that shouldn't be there, but actually it's not spelled with a Q it's spelled actually more or less, as you would imagine, M-A-R-S-M-E-N. Now what Mars Men is, is a pro is a testosterone elevator contains no testosterone but it has five ingredients that cause your testosterone to go up. So what is this about? Well, as you get older as a man, your testosterone drops. Some of that is surely the result of normal senescence. Likely a lot of it is not. Fact is we are surrounded by estrogenic compounds and other things in our environment that are not natural.
[00:07:27] Dr. Heather Heying: Now, sorry to interrupt, but when you say that we, we, you meaning men in this case, are surrounded by estrogenic compounds. We're not referring to women.
[00:07:36] Dr. Bret Weinstein: Are you an estrogenic compound? I see it could be a fortification of women. That could be an estrogenic compound,
[00:07:43] Dr. Heather Heying: but that fortification of women should, should not be at least a fortification of good women should not be sufficient to artificially lower your testosterone. In fact, it might do the opposite.
[00:07:53] Dr. Bret Weinstein: Would imagine actually that somebody should run that experiment. Probably they have, but yes, we're there a fortification of women. Probably testosterone levels will go up, but as these things are not common, you take some other kind of action. Now, if you go to your doctor, you're going to have all kinds of horrifying conversations that may well end in them telling you your testosterone is normal. Whatever that means, given that they are establishing what normal is in a world full of estrogenic compounds. So in any case, I actually do take this stuff and it actually does work. So I suggest you check them out at mengotomars.com. And unfortunately, there's no QR code there. Probably you can't see it on the bottle here, but anyway.
[00:08:38] Dr. Heather Heying: Anyway, do you have a called action or something?
[00:08:41] Dr. Bret Weinstein: I cannot find it. So anyway, here's the thing. You can go to their site, mention that you heard about them through us. And hopefully that works. The stuff does. So that's what you really need to know.
[00:08:57] Dr. Heather Heying: Just keep ripping.
[00:08:58] Dr. Bret Weinstein: Oh, I'm ripping.
[00:08:59] Dr. Heather Heying: Yes.
[00:08:59] Dr. Bret Weinstein: Okay. I'm sure I can find it. Uh, it contains Hongkat Ali, Shilajit, vitamin D3 and taurine. And it is certified by independent labs. So, you know, that's what's in it and that it has the appropriate amounts.
[00:09:20] Dr. Heather Heying: I mean, I can read it if you want, but I think I should make it bigger for you to read
[00:09:23] Dr. Bret Weinstein: because I'm going to read it. You're the, you're going to read it. Tell you what, in an effort to demonstrate how well it works, I'm going to read it with a rugged voice.
[00:09:32] Dr. Heather Heying: Oh, really?
[00:09:33] Dr. Bret Weinstein: I think. I mean, right. Okay.
[00:09:35] Dr. Heather Heying: That's the actual part. Yeah. Well, okay.
[00:09:40] Dr. Bret Weinstein: Uh, yeah, for a limited time, our listeners get 50% off for life plus free shipping and all in caps, three free gifts at men go to mars.com. That's men go to mars.com for 50% off and three free gifts when you check out. And it's also available at Amazon. No, not the forest, the retailer. After your purchase, they will ask you where you heard of them. Please support our show and tell them DarkHorse sent you. All right. Flying by the seat of our pants, the way men do,
[00:10:17] Dr. Bret Weinstein: you know what that means?
[00:10:18] Dr. Heather Heying: No, do you tell?
[00:10:19] Dr. Bret Weinstein: Okay. So in the old days, like imagine the early days of aviation, right?
[00:10:24] Dr. Heather Heying: Okay.
[00:10:25] Dr. Bret Weinstein: You're flying.
[00:10:26] Dr. Heather Heying: Oh, you actually know the story. Yeah. You're not about to completely bullshit.
[00:10:29] Dr. Bret Weinstein: No, there's a lot of stuff like, you know,
[00:10:31] Dr. Heather Heying: because men also do that.
[00:10:32] Dr. Bret Weinstein: Balls to the walls. You know what that means? I thought you've told that's the throttle all the way forward. The balls on the throttle. Right. So, you know, it's a family show balls to the walls.
[00:10:42] Dr. Heather Heying: Yeah. Um, balls or wall. Isn't it balls to the wall? It's balls to the wall.
[00:10:47] Dr. Bret Weinstein: You know, it may be that I'm remembering there was a ski run at mammoth when I was a kid called balls to the walls that I do not
[00:10:55] Dr. Heather Heying: think young men plastering themselves.
[00:10:57] Dr. Bret Weinstein: Yes. I do not think that was a reference to aviation, but flying by the seat of your pants, you fly by the seat of your pants. When the tug of the airplane, the seat pulling under you as you turn this way, you're, uh, you feel the plane pulling you that that's giving you feedback and you are flying by the seat of your pants means that you are using this visceral information
[00:11:21] Dr. Heather Heying: that reminds me of. I think I may have even read it in the past on, on air, Matthew Crawford's why we drive.
[00:11:28] Dr. Bret Weinstein: Yeah.
[00:11:29] Dr. Heather Heying: Which is, uh, I haven't read the whole book on air, but it just an extraordinary, I mean, everything he writes is, is amazing. But, uh, he talks specifically about the sort of the red, the analytical, uh, the, what does the number say on the speedometer, the screen experience of speed, as opposed to the visceral experience of speed. He is a motorcyclist and also an avid car guy, but he's mostly talking about motorcycles and, uh, it's just like, it just, it just doesn't compare.
[00:11:59] Dr. Bret Weinstein: Right. Yeah. In fact, I remember you reading a section to me and he does say something in there. I'm, I apologize, Matthew, I'm going to butcher this. You said it very eloquently, but you said that the, these older kinds of cars refined let you know that you, that it is your ass hurtling down the road at 75 miles an hour, um, rather than that it's the abstract experience of a modern, you know, fancy car anyway. So yeah, same idea.
[00:12:32] Dr. Heather Heying: Yeah. Well, I'm going to see to your pants, the visceral experience of speed and in the case of flying, of, uh, moving in all three, uh, planes, right? Uh, moving, having both, you know, having tilt and roll and yaw, uh, potentially all at once.
[00:12:49] Dr. Bret Weinstein: Yeah. Thanks.
[00:12:52] Dr. Heather Heying: Um, all right. So I, we, both of us watched some of, did not see all of the Fauci hearing this morning. And, uh, wanted to talk about it because, uh, this, you know, in some ways this feels like a long time coming and then it's sort of a letdown, but, uh, you know, of course there's no way for a Senate hearing to actually do, uh, all of what people would want to have done regardless. Uh, so one of the things I want to do is just like place us back, uh, in, in the time of, gosh, three, four, five, six years ago. And in part I've been doing that through natural selections this, uh, this year. I've been, and I've read it, I've read excerpts from, I think, uh, and, uh, maybe one or two complete versions of these stories that I've been posting.
[00:13:42] Dr. Heather Heying: I solicited stories from people, true stories that I, I, or, or people were working with could vet for their, um, factual accuracy, uh, that I've been publishing, um, most weeks, uh, since February or March of this year. And the response to them has been extraordinary. And many people have said that it's been cathartic, uh, to go back and listen. And the response has been so extraordinary that I still, I still have dozens that I haven't even looked at yet. And I had to shut down, um, new submissions in March, uh, because they were coming in so fast. So clearly this is, this has struck a nerve as it should. And so, uh, I went back to just share with you some, some excerpts. And of course, most of the best stories aren't easily excerpted. Uh, so I've got a few excerpts to share, uh, just to, to put us back in, in the era, uh, that then we see Fauci, um, supposedly testifying about, although he doesn't answer any questions.
[00:14:44] Dr. Heather Heying: You wanted to say something.
[00:14:46] Dr. Bret Weinstein: Yeah, I do want to, I do want to say something. Um, one of the experiences that I think all of us are having, I have yet to hear a single person descent from this idea is that when we look back at the stuff that we went through, just like videos that we all saw at the time, we are shocked by how hard it is to remember how crazy it actually was. And A, I don't think that's unintentional. I think there, I think these things are actually likely manipulated. But one of the things that may be going on that frankly could be organic is that we are suffering from a kind of shock exhaustion where every year brings And so even though Covid is, you know, last week, it's still going on, frankly. I mean, the president is still, he just, we just had a big, um, you know, re-upping of the shots and
[00:15:46] Dr. Heather Heying: there's still people mask. There's still people walking around masked outside in some parts of the United States, including where we live.
[00:15:51] Dr. Bret Weinstein: Right. So this is not over. People are still going to die from taking a shot that they shouldn't take because their government is recommending that they do, albeit much less strongly than they once did, but anyway, it's ongoing. And yet it's very hard to recover the memory of what it was as it's happening. And I think you're doing something totally unique here. You're not just going back to the, you know, the tweets of the FDA or the, you know, collections of newscasters saying insane things, you're actually picking up stories that people haven't heard, but that represent the kind of experience of being a person, having your own personal life turned upside down. And anyway, hugely valuable. And, uh, anyway, I'm thrilled that somebody's doing it and that it's you.
[00:16:37] Dr. Heather Heying: Well, thank you. So, um, you can share my screen now and just leave it on as we go through these. Um, I think yesterday I published the 23rd or 24th, one of these. And so, um, there, there have been many, this is just an amalgam of, uh, photographs taken by Dan Aponte in Ottawa in February of 2022 during the truckers convoy, which, um, it's also called the freedom convoy. Uh, and I published some people's stories as they experienced them then actually. And, uh, and some other people's stories during Covid, uh, which I linked to on natural selections as well. But the excerpts I'm going to share now are from this year's project in which I asked people to go back and find, you know, original documents to verify or, you know, allow us to talk to, you know, friends, neighbors, whatever who can, who can verify, but, um, Of course, our memory does change over time.
[00:17:31] Dr. Heather Heying: And I think part of what has happened, uh, is akin to, you know, forgetting the pain of childbirth. You can't, you can't, you can't live in extraordinary pain endlessly. And so you do forget it. And in this case, hopefully it's not so that we can live through it again, uh, which is the sort of adaptive story behind not remembering the, the pain of childbirth, uh, but it, there is, uh, an amnesia, uh, that, you know, that occurs that is adaptive. And I think it's, I think that adaptive amnesia is being hijacked in this case.
[00:18:05] Dr. Bret Weinstein: Yes. And I will also just say that there's a polarization here where you either cannot grapple with what happened to us because it covers so much, or you, you see everything through this lens because you've glimpsed this monster that did terrible things to us and never apprehended. And,
[00:18:27] Dr. Heather Heying: and as we'll talk about, we see that in the hearing today, it just, it's completely stark.
[00:18:31] Dr. Bret Weinstein: And, and I, and when we get to that, I will just say the experience of watching that hearing very different, depending upon who you were during the Covid era itself. And, uh, I believe that hearing as much as on the one hand, it was a nothing burger on the other hand, it was an everything burger. No, maybe it was an everything bagel, but, um, but remarkable. For what it was at which we will get to after these stories.
[00:19:00] Dr. Heather Heying: All right. So from Covid Era Stories, number 17, we have Graham Stahl writing Covid from inside the heart of the European union. So many people I know of memory hold the Covid experience. I sometimes bring up details and casual conversation with friends. For example, the absurdity of getting up from a table in a crowded restaurant, putting on a face mask in order to walk to the toilet and taking the mask off again once we seated. You remember how we all did that? I asked cheekily. Usually I met with a studied blank stare, one which covers an awkward silence and ends the flow of conversation. I know I've uncovered something buried in their minds and that that thing stings when oxygen touches it.
[00:19:43] Dr. Heather Heying: This, uh, an invisible tattoo from Jean Sheffield, uh, was the penultimate Covid Era Story that I've published so far from just a few weeks ago. By March, 2021, she writes, we're back in our brick and mortar home. The news was everywhere about the wondrous vaccines that were then being deployed. As a trained marketer, I immediately identified and understood the recurring message around scarcity and that upon initial release, only to our most precious citizens, like healthcare workers and first responders would have access to them. Chatter was everywhere around me about reopening and getting on any waiting list possible to be first to get the vaccine. My neighbors were even interviewed on CNN about their experience on the Pfizer phase three clinical trials. Too much marketing. I thought not enough time, no way they know that these are safe. They'll get it.
[00:20:28] Dr. Heather Heying: My sister-in-law who was a highly trained clinical doctor of pharmacology said, I think that's going to be doctor of pharmacy. They've never been able to get one of these. They've never been able to get one of those mRNA vaccines to actually work and they're dangerous. They've killed every animal they've ever tested them on. Give me a break. My brother, Chordled, you think they're going to just pass this thing out to the entire planet without testing the crap out of it. It's something about what my sister-in-law struck me as vitally true. I think we are going to wait. Months passed. Friends had parties before which everyone posted and locked up online. We'll be there and we are fully vaccinated. That's strange. All of this had become, I thought, but I couldn't pinpoint exactly what was so strange in the daily chaos of that era. So again, these are just excerpts from much longer stories. I encourage you to go and look at all of them.
[00:21:19] Dr. Bret Weinstein: Yeah. Can't pin down exactly what it is. And it almost exists like outside of time. That's almost how it feels like during Covid. What does that mean? During Covid. Covid was a phenomenon. Right. And that's Irish. It was a governmental orientation. It was an informational milieu. It was all sorts of things that traveled together and had everything to do with each other.
[00:21:46] Dr. Heather Heying: Right. And so I'm calling this project Covid Era Stories for lack of a better term, because I, you know, there's, it was an era. It still is an era. We're still living in it.
[00:22:00] Dr. Heather Heying: This from Kim Kenimer. Covid Era Stories. Number eight, they won't let you in. Her father had been hospitalized and her family was not allowed to see him because remember that dad died of heart failure two days later. My dad. He'd been a newspaper man most of his life. He'd interviewed five us presidents and a young Elvis Presley, which he said always impressed his writing students years later, far more than the stories about the presidents ever did. He served as a counterintelligence agent during the Korean conflict and was stationed in France. He won a writing contest when he and my mom were just married in the prize sent them on a free trip to Europe where they had the time of their lives. He loved good wine and good food rounds of golf and gin. Rummy. He loved people and should have been surrounded by family during his final days.
[00:22:45] Dr. Heather Heying: He loved stories and we should have been sharing many of them with his friends and relatives at a Memorial after he was gone. But of course, during Covid, there were no, there were no public funerals or memorials. My dad's last days were spent in a morphine haze and a hospital bed devoid of love. He died alone. Needlessly, senselessly, heartlessly. And his story is similar to many others. I am sure living in Texas. I soon learned that my Covid life was far less restricted than that of many people. I know who were living in other bluer States. I think that I took that a bit for granted, but not this. This was just as cruel as any policy in the world.
[00:23:23] Dr. Bret Weinstein: I was just listening to something and I can't remember what it was, but it was a reflection. Somebody whose family had all had Covid. And so they had natural immunity. I think all four of them did. And one of the parents died and they couldn't, they weren't allowed to visit, even though they were the obvious people. There was no risk. They were past Covid. They weren't going to give it to anybody.
[00:23:48] Dr. Heather Heying: We were mocked for believing in the idea of natural immunity.
[00:23:53] Dr. Bret Weinstein: And, you know, there's a famous or it was famous little piece of video of Anthony Fauci as a young doctor, like already a government guy, but a young doctor in his early days talking, I think he literally says something like, well, we all know natural immunity is the best immunity you're ever going to get a vaccine tries to get to this state. But if you've had the disease, you don't need a vaccine.
[00:24:24] Dr. Heather Heying: The one thing that I remember thinking during Covid when, you know, many of us got introduced to Fauci for the first time and the Wuhan lab and like all of it and seeing that clip from him as a young man. The one thing I was thinking was maybe he knows or suspects that this being a human made pathogen, it will operate differently in the body. It will trigger the immune system differently and that natural immunity won't be as powerful.
[00:24:54] Dr. Bret Weinstein: Well, interesting you say that. It's one of the things you said on Bill Maher. And I do not know exactly why it behaved this way. Well, I guess there's a question. The shots trigger IgG4, the mRNA shots trigger IgG4, which is an anomalous thing for
[00:25:17] Dr. Heather Heying: the adenovirus shots as well.
[00:25:19] Dr. Bret Weinstein: I do not think they do. There's no evidence for it anyway. But there's a question. Obviously, the shots were more than just spike protein. But
[00:25:31] Dr. Bret Weinstein: I don't know, I guess I don't want to speculate, but it's an interesting question.
[00:25:35] Dr. Heather Heying: Trigger IgG4,
[00:25:36] Dr. Bret Weinstein: which turns down the immune system. So what was it? Dials it down, not up. Right. Right. A shot that dials your immunity down, not up, dials it down with respect to the specific antigen being presented, which is obviously a, you know, it's the spike protein from SARS-CoV-2. So that's a question. I think we don't have every link to show that your suspicion there is right. But it's certainly a good question.
[00:26:05] Dr. Heather Heying: All right. Next Covid Era Story excerpt. This from a man writing under a pseudonym, Noam Inkfeather, in a piece called Manufacture of Consent. He's an acupuncturist and also a professor of or a clinical acupuncturist and has been on the faculty as well. By fall 2021, I had my dream job. I was earning more than double my original salary, treating patients, training students, and supporting my family on a single income. Two months later, the White House issued its decree. Employers with over 100 employees must mandate vaccination. The FQHC gave me an ultimatum, comply or leave. I am an identical twin. My brother works in software and had isolated himself during the pandemic. To reenter society and contrary to my advice, he took a Johnson and Johnson shot. It made him severely ill. And he later landed in the emergency department. All they offered him was shrug shoulders and Benadryl. They wouldn't even log the vaccine adverse event.
[00:27:03] Dr. Heather Heying: He recovered, but was shaken and changed. Red pilled. He filled out his own VAERS report. My identical twin had suffered a serious adverse reaction. Given this obviously relevant fact, I requested a medical exemption. It didn't matter. You still have to get it. They told me in that moment, it became unmistakably clear that this was not about patient safety, public health or science. It was about power. It had always been about power. I complied at the last possible moment to minimize the risk of adverse events. I fasted and followed a mitigation protocol using ivermectin and Chinese herbal medicine. After the second Pfizer dose, I developed an uncomfortable, embarrassing lymphatic complication in a private area. Treatable, but not trivial. I managed it myself. That is my Covid story. I did not consent freely. I wrote that I was under duress on the vaccine consent forum. It didn't matter. They didn't look at the form anyway.
[00:28:01] Dr. Heather Heying: I yielded to their, to their force, economic, professional and institutional. My choice was not between vaccination and safety, but between obedience, unemployment, between compliance and the ability to provide for my family. This is how consent was manufactured during the pandemic, not through persuasion, but through leverage, not through science, but through power. And before you comment on this, I'll just say that, um, I think it's coming out or already out, he's also written this, um, published by children's health defense. Lysenko Lacks Facts, facts, uh, a book that's quite, quite marvelous. And I encourage people to read it.
[00:28:41] Dr. Bret Weinstein: Um, when something's up, when somebody is pulling a power play like this, you detect it first in the discontinuities, the anomalies that just don't make any sense, that can't be made sense of. And I remember I had a long list of them. One of them was the weird fact that we were simultaneously being shamed for not taking the shot in order to protect those who couldn't take it. And the very people who shouldn't be taking it were being told they had to. Yes. Right. And it's like, you just put those two things together and you know, that's the moment at which you pull the brake cable and the train comes to a halt because, you know, something more than we're being told is going on at the point that you have such an obvious lie.
[00:29:35] Dr. Heather Heying: Yes. That's right. That's right. You have a couple more here. Ah, so this is, um, this is the story that I just published yesterday. This is the most recent one. One door closes and another opens by David Finkelstein.
[00:29:50] Dr. Heather Heying: When the mayor makes it illegal for unvaccinated people to have a job in New York city, my husband is exempt since he works for and by himself out doors and he remains unvaccinated. He has clients that require us to wipe every door knob and every object we touch with a disinfectant wipe while passing through the house on the way to their backyard. Very slowly. We worked through the stress, which the city's vaccine mandate brings to our relationship and rebuild trust coming back together as a couple. As we hear of more and more people we know who died from the shots or suffered serious vaccine injuries, and I share more of the scientific literature with him. His view of the vaccine shifts until as closely aligned with my own and during official discrimination mandated by the city government together, we become closer than ever. My only sister is two years older than me and we've always been close.
[00:30:44] Dr. Heather Heying: She tells me that her husband won't let us enter their home because we're unvaccinated, even though we all had Thanksgiving dinner together in their home in 2020. She agrees to meet me occasionally in her office properly masked, but the stress that's been created between us is toxic, bitter arguments, long periods of silence, resentment, fear, anger. Today, my political perspective is completely transformed due to the pandemic, while hers has not. We have rebuilt our relationship, but at the price of having a large subset of topics which we cannot talk about with one another. And in this piece, Finkelstein and his husband moved to Vermont, which they find to be a haven away from the crazy of New York City. And finally, the third story, the third Covid Era Story that I published, titled No Visitor's Allowed by Amy Johnson. Her son has been hospitalized. Covid. This is early. This is before the shots are out, I think. So the doctor began.
[00:31:41] Dr. Heather Heying: This is on the phone because she's not allowed in. So the doctor began. I now feel as if I have PTSD when someone begins a sentence with so. So the doctor said, David's heart stopped again and we weren't able to get him back this time. Everything went dark. Everything. I don't remember much from the rest of that night. The doctor told me what to do to get my son's body picked up, but it was two days before I even thought of that again. I just remember ending the call and collapsing into a primal grief that felt like ruination. I felt ruined. A mother whose child's been plucked away. I said, I can't do this. My Covid story is this. My son died at age 25 after losing a year of not being able to work, to socialize, to attend classes, to be normal.
[00:32:25] Dr. Heather Heying: He died because some psychopaths and sociopaths, as Richard Ebright at Rutgers labeled Fauci and his clan of monster makers, chose to play dangerous games of deadly pathogens and then lied about it all. David lost that year and then he lost his life. Five years on, I still hope for justice. I don't expect to see it in my lifetime, but I do hope it happens for David's sisters to see. It still feels impossible if this happened five years on.
[00:32:55] Dr. Bret Weinstein: Yeah, that's chilling. Just the mere thought and what must have happened medically for a 25 year old to die of Covid.
[00:33:11] Dr. Bret Weinstein: It's extremely unlikely. Yeah.
[00:33:16] Dr. Heather Heying: It's extremely unlikely. I thought I'd end the excerpts there because she calls us back to Fauci and what she calls his clan of monster makers.
[00:33:36] Dr. Heather Heying: We see it in this hearing today. We see this man sitting there. He gives his brief opening statement, which is empty and monstrous in its way. And then over and over and over again, in answer to every single question he is asked, he invokes the fifth, he says. On the advice of counsel, I respectfully declined to answer based upon my rights under the fifth amendment to the constitution.
[00:34:16] Dr. Heather Heying: Some of the senators, specifically Senator Scott, the senior senator out of Florida does an excellent job of asking just question after question after question, which forces Fauci to say this over and over and over again. It makes him look like a fool and it makes him look guilty. He is not a fool, but he is guilty.
[00:34:44] Dr. Bret Weinstein: He's not a fool. He is clearly guilty. This has been obvious for a very long time. And I will tell you that in watching it, I kept thinking the difficult thing about this is that you are actually looking at a monster to the extent that a monster is a thing, this is what one looks like. He looks like, you know, a charming, unthreatening, well-groomed, well-spoken dweeb. I mean, that's the thing is he looks like a, you know, a nerdy scientific guy who, uh, you know, just found himself in a difficult position. Of course, that has nothing to do with what he is. He's actually, you know, his bread and butter. The reason he was the most highly paid federal employee of all was that he was in charge of bioweapons research. This is a bioweapons guy.
[00:35:46] Dr. Heather Heying: Yeah. And Senator Ernst makes that point too, uh, in the hearing. Yeah.
[00:35:51] Dr. Bret Weinstein: But I think it points to a kind of divide part of what is making it difficult for the public to come to consensus about what took place is that what took place is absolutely unthinkable until you make one leap, which is that there are people who by whatever mechanism are perfectly comfortable causing the death of innocence. And they may have a sophisticated rationalization, but the point is we know these people from history. The right thing to do with them is to allow history to record them or their ghastly crimes. And in Fauci's case, we are, this is your chance. You can spend however long he was in front of this committee. And yes, he doesn't say anything because he keeps saying the same thing over and over again. Now, mind you, even the thing he says is monstrous because a, it's not obvious he has a fifth amendment right to decline to say anything because he has a pardon.
[00:36:57] Dr. Bret Weinstein: And so in fact, one of the rationales, not rationalization, one of the rationales that the founders had in granting the right to give a pardon was to force somebody to testify. So the fact that he has a, a pardon means it's not obvious at all that he has the right to answer these questions. But even if you imagine that he does have that right, he elides the part where that right derives from the fact that he is entitled not to incriminate himself, which he does not say, right? He has the right not to testify, but he has the right not to testify so as not to incriminate himself. Right. So the point is okay.
[00:37:43] Dr. Heather Heying: He's invoking the right, but not the reason for the right.
[00:37:46] Dr. Bret Weinstein: He's invoking the right, but not paying the cost, which is the implication that he did something wrong and knows it.
[00:37:54] Dr. Heather Heying: Go ahead. Well, I just, because you were just there, I transcribed part of the very end when Senator Paul, who's the chairman, says, and this is not a perfect transcription. So I really did want to hear from Dr. Fauci today. I did want to hear an apology, some semblance of being sorry for what happened. He has been subpoenaed here to testify. He has cited a privilege that is unsupported because of his blanket pardon and because he waived the privilege by testifying at the start.
[00:38:24] Dr. Bret Weinstein: True.
[00:38:24] Dr. Heather Heying: I'm going to give you one more opportunity to comply with the law. Senator Paul says to Fauci, limited to the period of your pardon at any point between January 1st, 2014, which is interesting, the pardon goes back that far, and January 19th, 2025, the moment at which Biden left office, did you destroy any federal record or tell anybody else to? Fauci, on the advice of counsel, I respectfully declined to answer based upon my rights under the fifth amendment to the constitution. Paul says, given that you have an unlimited presidential pardon, what is your specific objection that you are making? Fauci says the same thing again. Paul says, my question was limited to the period of your pardon only. I find your objection unsupported and direct you to answer the question. Fauci once again says the same thing.
[00:39:08] Dr. Heather Heying: And Senator Paul says, because you refuse to answer, citing a privilege that is unsupported because of your pardon, and after being denied to do so, this committee is scheduled to vote for next week on a resolution certifying your contempt.
[00:39:22] Dr. Bret Weinstein: Fascinating legal exchange.
[00:39:24] Dr. Heather Heying: Yes. Well, it's, I guess, I guess it is an exchange, even though Fauci simply repeats the same mantra, but over and over again.
[00:39:34] Dr. Bret Weinstein: I don't want to get too deep in the weeds, but Senator Paul has specifically narrowed his question to a period in which Fauci is immune by presidential part. His right not to testify in a way that incriminates him evaporates as long as he couldn't be prosecuted. And so the key thing here is that a pardon, unfortunately, a pardon can be nebulous in terms of its specificity. I think that's a mistake we have to fix because these things have become a get out of jail free card and they've created an elevated kind of citizen that can get away with murder and everything else. But the
[00:40:24] Dr. Bret Weinstein: Senator Paul is saying to Anthony Fauci, you are committing a crime today. You are refusing to answer a lawful question that this committee has a right to ask and you do not have the right to decline to answer and you're declining anyway. You are in contempt. Right. So the point is that's a new crime. It's one for which he does not have a pardon. And here's what's going to happen. Stuff and then nothing. Right. You're not. This guy is not going to end up paying the price here. He is going to be playing this elaborate game until it goes away. And one of my other thoughts in watching this whole set of exchanges, I mean, and the other point I want to make clear to people who don't get it is you're not allowed to answer certain questions that are exculpatory and not answer other questions in which you would incriminate yourself if you invoke your right not to incriminate yourself. It has to be across the board. And so
[00:41:31] Dr. Heather Heying: well, he did not he did not answer any questions, but he did give his opening statement.
[00:41:35] Dr. Bret Weinstein: He gave a statement after being under oath.
[00:41:37] Dr. Heather Heying: Yes. So he was put under oath. He gave an opening statement, which is nothing. But then he gave that little mantra about the Fifth Amendment, every other single moment that he was told he should speak.
[00:41:49] Dr. Bret Weinstein: So there is at least a valid legal question as to whether he was entitled to invoke the Fifth not only because of his immunity, but because he had already elected to speak. He had already said prejudice, prejudicial things and then declined to speak where he might incriminate himself, which I mean, the legal ground here is fascinating. Why would he be incriminating himself if he had a pardon? Maybe because he's done something since Biden left office, maybe because he was planning to lie to the committee and lying to the committee would be a crime in and of itself for which he didn't have a part. So there's jeopardy here, even though he got an amazing blanket pardon for unspecified crimes during an incredibly long period of time, which should not have happened. Right. And I do want to point out, you know, in looking into this, the idea of a blanket pardon. There's lots of precedent here of various kinds.
[00:42:55] Dr. Bret Weinstein: There's a lot of egregious stuff what happened at the end of the Biden administration. But Washington granted pardons to soldiers in the Whiskey Rebellion, I believe. Lincoln granted it to soldiers in the Confederacy so that the nation could heal. Carter granted it to draft dodgers. Ford granted it to Nixon, which is interesting for unspecified crimes. That may be the closest precedent that we have. Bush, the first Bush granted it to Iran-Contra suspects, Casper Weinberger. So there's a lot of this stuff going on. But what's happened in the modern era is this impulse to just immunize obvious crooks at the end of an administration. So it's maximally covering. In Biden's case, we don't know the question of whether or not the pardon might have been signed by the auto pen is actually probably not that useful, even if it was. It doesn't matter because a pardon doesn't apparently require a signature. I was surprised to learn that.
[00:44:03] Dr. Bret Weinstein: But what it does require is the president himself authorized it.
[00:44:09] Dr. Heather Heying: And was he was he capable of authorizing anything on the last day of office?
[00:44:13] Dr. Bret Weinstein: And did he? And I will just say in terms of what the hell we do now, I mean, I'm going to have two messages here. One message is you are getting a glimpse at the system we actually live under. And it fits well with the paradigm I laid out in a tweet thread this week. Not thinking of this topic specifically at all. But you want to put up my tweet thread? I'll just read the first tweet in it.
[00:44:44] Dr. Bret Weinstein: I said, something is at war with us. Being regular citizens who want things to work and to be left alone. We're slow to react because we think in terms of nations. Our enemies are mafias that wear governments like a cloak to defeat our eyes and fly our flags to disarm our minds. So I think the way to think about Anthony Fauci sitting there in front of this committee today is we are governed by mafias. He is a made man. I think he's just clearly a made man. And that means we don't have the ability to touch him. Right. There's only so much that Rand Paul can do or Ron Johnson. They don't have the power. They are our representatives and we don't have the power to touch Anthony Fauci for reasons we don't know. Mafias could presumably deal with him. Mafias deal with each other and their own all the time. They have rules, but we don't know them. They're not published anywhere.
[00:45:41] Dr. Bret Weinstein: We don't have standing to say, hey, this person is a flat out monster and deserves to be dealt with. So anyway, thinking of him as a made man in a mafia whose name we don't know makes a lot more sense of what you saw. What he was effectively doing was a flex. He was sitting there and saying, I don't have to answer your question because who the hell are you? What's that? Right.
[00:46:06] Dr. Heather Heying: The Senator Moody, the junior senator from Florida, was angry as everyone as everyone should be. I think there's just another quote from this morning. Excuse me. Because I think it speaks to where we actually are and where our representatives should be. And the alternate reality that Fauci and his henchmen seem to be living in. She says something like we fought back against the lockdowns, the school closures, the church closures. We fought back. We got ridiculed for it. We didn't just call people names. We actually impaneled the grand jury, this in Florida, the people of all walks of life, of all political persuasions. So that's how I came here, fighting for a free state. We are now called the free state of Florida. I believe that our responsibility here is to make sure the government remembers that the people are our bosses. We report to them. We are accountable to them. Government should not operate for itself.
[00:47:06] Dr. Heather Heying: Government operates on behalf of the American people. What you're arguing is that that is a fantasy and that that is not what is actually happening. And I think there are states in which it is it is trying to happen. I think Florida is one of them, Idaho. There are states in which the government is trying to operate on behalf of its people. But your argument that Fauci is effectively a made man in a mafia that is invisible to us suggests that that what Senator Moody is arguing is not in fact the world that we are living in.
[00:47:41] Dr. Bret Weinstein: Yeah. And I think this is the problem with Covid. Is that for those of us who stuck it out and paid attention and tracked the various contradictions and figured out as well as we could. And I still don't think we know. We know elements of what it was about. But I don't think we know what it was about overall. We don't know what the purpose of the research is that produced the disease. We know Fauci was involved. We don't know exactly what the vaccine was about and why it was important to get it into every single arm. We know Fauci was involved. We don't know why we were denied drugs that they knew full well worked. We can see that in the releases of documents this week. They knew that hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin worked. And yet we were told that they didn't. What? Imagine you're going to turn the freaking world upside down over a disease that is not deadly but dangerous.
[00:48:37] Dr. Bret Weinstein: And you are going to deny people comparatively safe medications that address the disease very well and force them in to an untested gene therapy that you know isn't effective and is very dangerous. Like I don't know how you get past the fact that when you do that set of things you are actually causing deaths that would not otherwise have occurred. You're doing that. So what allows that other than a perfect comfort. You know it has to be done for some I don't know is it a business reason the power reason. I don't know.
[00:49:11] Dr. Heather Heying: When you make that list it seems to me that one thing that distinguishes. The lab origin of the virus which is the only thing on the list which I think increasing numbers of people accept and don't find a politically unviable position even if they're still a little shaky on whether or not it's true. That is distinct from everything else all of the other Covid era crimes because for that one and that one alone Fauci and his monster makers as Amy Johnson that Covid Era Story writes. Fauci and his monster makers have a clear interest in this not knowing the truth. It is clear to everyone why they would not want this to have originated in a lab that he and his people funded. Right. So with regard to all of the rest of them we have hypotheses we have some ideas but it's it's still murky. Like what is his interest. Why. What is the mafia trying to accomplish
[00:50:06] Dr. Bret Weinstein: with its with its bio weapons research which it was supposed to use research.
[00:50:10] Dr. Heather Heying: Right. But why why keep Ivermectin why do vaccines never need to be in everyone's arms. Like why the lockdowns. Like all of these things about which we have you know we have we have spent hours and hours hours talking and we have lots of ideas as do many other people. But the only one for which it is utterly clear that there is an incentive to obscure the truth by the people who are obscuring the truth is the virus origins.
[00:50:35] Dr. Bret Weinstein: Yep. Now this does surface what I think is the kind of key contradiction in the hearings today. Again it looked like a nothing burger because he didn't answer the questions. But it wasn't. He did answer a different question through his approach here. And. I just think. It's subtle until you see it and then it it just leaps out which is. People make the mistake because there are elements of this hearing in Congress and a court. Right because you're sworn in under oath because you're compelled to testify right because you're cross examined these things evoke our reaction to a court. But the court is trying you. Right. Your rights are built around trying you. This hearing is about the citizenry trying to ascertain what happened to it. This is not about you Anthony Fauci. This is about us. We have a right to understand what happened to us. Why. So we can protect ourselves in the future so that people who deserve justice can get it.
[00:51:46] Dr. Bret Weinstein: And so even as you invoke a right you don't seem to have brazenly. You are telling us that actually in your mind what happened to us is nothing compared to the jeopardy to you. You don't believe in our right to be informed. Right. And there's this weird connection right. The word consent has really important legal meanings and it comes up in three contexts. There's obviously sexual consent which is important and obviously people have analogized the shot to like a rape violation of the body and I don't think that that's overdrawn. But the two things I want to point to are consent shows up in the idea of informed consent which is the sacrosanct right that we have to reject interference with our bodies based on full evidence of what it is that's being proposed. We have the right to say no to things like your freaking shot. OK. We don't have to satisfy you that we understand it better than you do to say no. We have a right to say no. Right.
[00:52:57] Dr. Bret Weinstein: I frequently remind people we hanged seven doctors for violating informed consent at the end of at the end of World War Two. The other context it comes up in is the consent of the governed. Consent of the governed is the sole basis for the legitimacy of government. And so you're watching Anthony Fauci interfere with how informed we are so that we can exercise consent over our governance. Right. It's like we are entitled to informed consent of the governed and you Anthony Fauci are standing in the way of that because somehow to you this is a game and the fact that people lost loved ones who died alone and they suffer with that tragedy to this day. Doesn't mean anything to you. The fact that children who didn't need the shot were given the shot and died who had long lives ahead. It doesn't mean anything to you.
[00:53:58] Dr. Bret Weinstein: The fact that people who had immunity from having already had Covid were needlessly injected and suffered and in many cases died means nothing to you because you are a monster. Right. This is what a monster looks like. Whatever you think the monster looks like whatever it is that comes up in your mind when you see the word monster replace it with this. This is what it actually looks like and this is why it's dangerous. The monster looked like a grizzly bear. People would react to them properly. But when they look like Anthony Fauci half the country is mesmerized. Right. Julia Roberts is like kissing a picture of the guy on TV now recently.
[00:54:47] Dr. Heather Heying: No. Okay. Back back in the day.
[00:54:48] Dr. Bret Weinstein: But the point is okay. Look. Yeah. You kissed a monster. And you haven't owned up to it. And the fact is actually you should own up to it. You should come out and say wow was I confused. Turns out the dude's a frickin monster. He's a killer and he doesn't care. Right. This is somebody who delights in his power even when other people are suffering and dying. And so anyway. Informed consent of the governed is what we are entitled to. And Anthony Fauci is standing directly in the way of it and invoking a right cynically that he shouldn't have in this context. And all of that if that doesn't tell you what world we're living in I don't think anything will.
[00:55:27] Dr. Heather Heying: Yeah. I agree. Um, I haven't listened to a lot of Senate hearings. But my sense which has been said by many is that we are in a more polarized landscape than ever before. And that was certainly the polarization was on stark display. And this you didn't have to know who was speaking to know what team they play for. Right. And okay. This is 15 eight Republicans seven Democrats 15 sitting senators on the Homeland Security and Government Affairs Committee. And here's just two two statements made. And I want first I won't say who said what the attempt to vilify you Dr. Fauci is part of a larger campaign to vilify science
[00:56:24] Dr. Heather Heying: and separate human being. You call yourself the most famous scientist in the world. Well, you've done more to harm science than any other scientist in my lifetime.
[00:56:36] Dr. Heather Heying: The first was Senator Blumenthal, Democrat from Connecticut. The second was Senator Hawley, Republican from Missouri.
[00:56:48] Dr. Heather Heying: I even when I was voting Democrat, I do not remember being able to to say, wow, one of these teams is just 100 percent always wrong. Right. That wasn't that was not the case. How could we have gone so far afield from from logic and from observation and from rigor? I mean, again, Senator Blumenthal from Connecticut, the attempt to vilify you Dr. Fauci is part of a larger campaign to vilify science. No, actually, the Democrats are successfully destroying the American public's ability to believe in science, to engage scientifically, to imagine that science has the answers to any problems at all. Like this is the problem the Democrats are doing with regard to their approach to science. Follow the science. What Fauci said, I am science. Like none of this has any relationship to science.
[00:57:51] Dr. Heather Heying: And we said over and over and over again, like, OK, when you say something like that, Senator Blumenthal, you you first of all demonstrate that you have no idea what science is. But more to the point, you're the problem. You're the one. Like, yes, we we need science. We need a scientific understanding of the world. It has given us so much and will continue to do so. But what you're chasing here is the opposite. This is like this is the the inverse is the mere image is the dark, dark version of its scientism, not science. And it's it's unfortunately not decrepit. It's incredibly powerful. It is rising. This dark form of pseudo science is rising. It is being celebrated by those who don't know any better.
[00:58:50] Dr. Bret Weinstein: The idea that this week you could make that argument that this is, you know, part of a larger campaign to demonize science when one of the things that emerged this week was a fresh trove of I think they're slack messages amongst the proximal origins. Who published that terrible paper in which they claimed that it was obvious that this came from the wild and couldn't possibly have come from a lab and behind the scenes as they talked to each other. They were having the same freaking discussion that we were having out here about the obvious signatures of lab origin. So. What you're calling science is. The institutional right to dispense a narrative irrespective of what the evidence says. That's what they were doing. That's what Fauci was doing. He knew better. Christian Anderson and his buddies knew better. They all knew better behind the scenes. So you know, it's like our last episode.
[00:59:49] Dr. Bret Weinstein: Tell me in one sentence that your education completely failed you and that you know nothing. Right. Because who said it during the pandemic? Somebody said it very well. You know, questioning the science is how you do science. That's what you do. You you pressure test things. And the idea that narratives that come from someplace with science in the title, that those narratives are beyond question and that those who question are either morally or mentally defective is insane. And here's the thing. It's one thing if in the midst of a trumped up emergency, you made a bad judgment. It's another thing five years later, if you still don't get it, you couldn't possibly not get it at this point.
[01:00:35] Dr. Bret Weinstein: Just look at the documents that came out this week and ask yourself, was the science the thing that they published that lied or was the science the thing that they talked about in their slack messages where they were looking at the sequence and saying, this looks bad. Right. This looks like it came from a laboratory. I don't see how it could have come from nature. They knew and they lied and you're still buying it. It's like, you know, it's like, you know, they've turned the lights on and, you know, the magic apparatus is being, you know, carted away and disassembled. And you're still you still believe it's magic, right? You still accept their nonsense story, even though that you know that they never did. Like how dumb would you have to be?
[01:01:24] Dr. Heather Heying: Yeah, the wizard has been revealed. The emperor is naked. We have we have these stories from literature and fairy tale all over the place because it is critical that we not do this. It is critical that we be able to see what we see and say what we see. And instead, we have the hijacking of words, words like vaccine and science. And, you know, woman separately. But, you know, we have the hijacking of words in which they magically become something new. And people who are paying no attention go, oh, well, yeah, I've used that word before. OK, I know I'm pro vaccine. I'm pro science. This is these are the kinds of things that I stand for. Therefore, anyone who is who is doing that must be the good person. And, you know, I mean, that's that's a move that we saw at Evergreen.
[01:02:19] Dr. Bret Weinstein: Mm hmm.
[01:02:19] Dr. Heather Heying: You know, anyone who says they're standing up for the black people must be on the right side of history. Like, well, all you have to do is say it then and you'll have your support. Like, how gameable is this?
[01:02:30] Dr. Bret Weinstein: Right.
[01:02:30] Dr. Heather Heying: The entire thing is so gameable. And so, you know, like, no, nothing that happened today changes anything in the Senate. But we did get to see Fauci say his frickin' mantra that he was presumably told to say by counsel over and over and over again. And occasionally, occasionally, maybe get just a little bit uncomfortable, which, you know, it's there will never be enough. And as as Amy Johnson and the end of her Covid Era Story that I read an excerpt from earlier asks for, you know, we want accountability. We want to know that this cannot happen again and that will that is not going to happen. But.
[01:03:16] Dr. Heather Heying: But Fauci saying over and over and over again, on the advice of counsel, I respectfully declined to answer based upon my rights under the Fifth Amendment to the Constitution. Even when asked questions like what day of the week did this thing happen on?
[01:03:30] Dr. Heather Heying: Tells us that it's both a game to him, as you have said. And also, I think you're right. He's he's safe. He's a made man. It doesn't. It's this is we are trivial to him. We don't we don't we don't count. We don't rank. And also, he just knows enough about how the world is actually run that he can sit in front of senators and pretty much know that they can't touch him.
[01:04:01] Dr. Bret Weinstein: They can't. And, you know, one of the things you get, we'll come back to the diary in a second. But one of the things that you get looking at his so-called diary, which I don't think is a diary, is that he can't touch him. And the other thing that I think is a diary is that it does admit a tremendous amount of vanity. Vanity? Yeah. Ungodly levels of vanity. And. He was thinking about him during the pandemic. He wasn't thinking about it. He was playing a guy who was thinking a lot about you during the pandemic, but he was thinking about him. And he was effectively laughing at you and he's laughing at you still. And that's. It it creates this weird. All right. Quantum superpositionists get abused. Such a kind of nifty concept or trope or whatever that we can invoke in context that I'm sure make physicists squirm. But. Here's the thing. We live in two worlds simultaneously at the moment.
[01:05:00] Dr. Bret Weinstein: I remember conversations that I had with people I cared deeply about at the beginning of Covid. Right. As the lab leak. Story was beginning to crack. And what I saw was actually, I think we're going to win the lab leak story. We're not yet winning the vaccine story. And we're way behind on the repurposed drug story, but we know the dimensions of it. And my feeling is we're actually way ahead in this Covid trajectory. Our side is punching way above its weight class. We need to go for broke and we need to get all of these things hashed out so the public gets them all because we're never going to get a better chance to see how our system works. This story diagnosis the system in twenty twenty six. Here's what we see.
[01:05:51] Dr. Bret Weinstein: We actually won. Completely, all of these things are now visible to anybody who wishes to see them. And we've lost completely. Our capacity to do anything about this is now on full display. We have none. That is an amazing position to be in, but it does tell you. What we have to do next, because. It means that your ability to simply get the story clear enough and enough evidence on the table does not have an impact on what happens next. We're still apparently dispensing these frickin shots. How crazy is that? Right after all that we have unearthed, after all the people who lost their careers to unearth this stuff, they're still dispensing the frickin shots. So, OK, we won completely. Anybody who wants to know can now know pretty much what happened. We still have some loose ends. We don't know exactly what the ultimate objective was.
[01:06:46] Dr. Bret Weinstein: But if you want to know what happened during Covid, you can find out there are a lot of us out here who know. And we've lost completely in terms of power, knowing completely what happened or having a really good record of all of these major victories and the evidence that was so hard. One doesn't buy you anything in terms of the ability to actually change the trajectory of the ship. So I would argue that the right thing to do. Is with the part that we did win the evidence, right? It's out there is that we need to figure out now how to talk to the people who actually have goodness in their hearts, but are still so desperately confused. You have to figure out how to approach them with enough generosity of spirit. That you can get them over the line to just seeing you can get them to take off the blindfold. So, for example, I might approach somebody and I would say. If it was true.
[01:07:45] Dr. Bret Weinstein: That Anthony Fauci knew that the shots did not prevent transmission and that they waned rapidly with time. And he knew that Ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine were likely useful ways to address this pathogen. And he told the public the opposite, knowing that the shot carried risks and that these drugs were far safer. Would you then acknowledge that all of the people that you thought had lost their minds and were actually morally defective because they were being selfish and grandma was going to die? Would you acknowledge that those people deserve a fresh hearing that maybe they were right and you were so convinced that they were wrong and you had it backwards? You can get them to admit that just that simple comparison, if it were true.
[01:08:34] Dr. Bret Weinstein: Would force them to rethink who they thought was good and who they thought was bad during that era, then the comparison can now be done because we now have enough behind the scenes information to say that all of those things were known. And yet we got the messages that we got in public, which were dangerous and they killed.
[01:08:59] Dr. Heather Heying: I want to believe you're right. It feels like a very hard sell. So in the hearing, I think it was Senator Johnson who had had some numbers because he does that he showed with regard to doses of and there were several things, but the three that I remember of Ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine and Covid shots given over X number of years, injuries, deaths, et cetera. And of course, the Covid shots. Oh, and I think Remdesivir may have been on there as well. So Remdesivir is way more dangerous than Ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine and way less effective. And the Covid shots orders of magnitude more than any of those. Right. So those numbers to me, you know, because because I appreciate, you know, a simple table with clear numbers, just make the argument. And I understand that maybe that doesn't make the argument for many people.
[01:10:01] Dr. Heather Heying: But it seems to me that even if you just take two of the things, say, let's go with hydroxychloroquine, which is a slightly more dangerous drug than Ivermectin. Right. Still like not not really at all, but slightly more than Ivermectin. Let's just compare known adverse events to hydroxychloroquine doses across the time that it's been used versus Covid mRNA vaccines. And then say, perhaps to the person whom you are hoping that you're the good person who is still confused, say, given his position as the head of the NIAID, Fauci certainly would have had access to these numbers, right? He would have. Therefore, why was his public statement, why were his public statements about these two things flipped? Mustn't he have been intentionally obscuring something? He could not have been this confused on both of these issues in so opposite a way. He could not have been.
[01:11:07] Dr. Bret Weinstein: Yeah, I think I think it's completely clear. I mean, so in some sense, the question, the mystery is why is this man free? Why, if he knew these things, if if the idea was, hey, this is an emergency and people are going to die, therefore, you have to do these things. And he told you to do the things that actually cause people to die. And he didn't tell you to do the things that cause people to live. Why is this man free? And the answer is because he's a made man. But the point is, I think that that's a useful exercise because did you know that there were made men, you know, the NIAID? Like, that's an odd place to find a made man, but he is one highest paid federal employee. Did you know that? Interesting. The weapons guy, huh? All those facts fit together and he's going to, you know, invoke a right he doesn't have because he was given a pardon. He shouldn't have been given. I'm sorry. This is this is nature.
[01:12:07] Dr. Bret Weinstein: This is nature's way of telling you about the system that you live under. And that's terrifying, right? We live under a system we can't describe. We don't have influence over and life and death all the time. That's what's on the table. Life and death. We are we are just rolling the dice with this system that, you know, we can't even get its attention. So I do think. People made massive. But honest errors in judgment, they instead of using their. Minds, they use their amygdala to reason and they got spooked into doing shit. They shouldn't and a lot of them died and a lot of them are still around and embarrassed, but. Only way out of this is to come to agreement on the things that we actually now know, because the price for coming to understand them was very, very high. We need we need to recover on that investment because this story tells us where we are like no other story.
[01:13:06] Dr. Heather Heying: That's right. So that
[01:13:09] Dr. Bret Weinstein: I think so. Yeah. Yeah.
[01:13:15] Dr. Heather Heying: What a world. What a world we're living in. All right. We'll be back next week. Same time, same place, I think. I think next week is the same time, same place kind of deal.
[01:13:27] Dr. Bret Weinstein: But a week later,
[01:13:29] Dr. Heather Heying: if it's the same time, same place.
[01:13:32] Dr. Bret Weinstein: Yeah, I guess it depends. I mean, you know,
[01:13:34] Dr. Heather Heying: that's the question.
[01:13:35] Dr. Bret Weinstein: Right. Same place a week later.
[01:13:41] Dr. Heather Heying: I think so.
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